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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    They are predominantly muslims, like 80%

    Assyrians and Syrians are the same thing, both name used because of religious differences.
    Is this sarcasm or are you genuinely misinformed about us?

    Assyrians are indigenous to northern Iraq, southeastern Turkey and northwestern Iran. They are not Levantines. The Assyrians from Syria are recent immigrants there who have lived in the country since the 1930s or so, escaping Iraq after the Simele Massacre perpetrated by Baathists. Assyrians are 99% Christian and a small minority are secular.

    Syrians are culturally Arab, who have been greatly admixed with ancient Phoenicians, Arameans, Hebrews/Jews, Ottomans, Arabians and many others. They are a mixed bunch, although they generally do look quite similar to us and we do cluster close with them. Most of them are Muslim, with a few orthodox and Catholic minorities.

    As names go, 'Syria' to Assyria' is what 'Belarus' is to 'Russia'. They have similar linguistic meaning, but the people are still ethnically different or distinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelati View Post
    Is this sarcasm or are you genuinely misinformed about us?

    Assyrians are indigenous to northern Iraq, southeastern Turkey and northwestern Iran. They are not Levantines. The Assyrians from Syria are recent immigrants there who have lived in the country since the 1930s or so, escaping Iraq after the Simele Massacre perpetrated by Baathists. Assyrians are 99% Christian and a small minority are secular.

    Syrians are culturally Arab, who have been greatly admixed with ancient Phoenicians, Arameans, Hebrews/Jews, Ottomans, Arabians and many others. They are a mixed bunch, although they generally do look quite similar to us and we do cluster close with them. Most of them are Muslim, with a few orthodox and Catholic minorities.

    As names go, 'Syria' to Assyria' is what 'Belarus' is to 'Russia'. They have similar linguistic meaning, but the people are still ethnically different or distinct.
    You have basically said that Syrian Muslims have massacred Syrian Christians therefore you two divided into Syrians and Assyrians.

    All that you ascribe to Assyrian people can easily be ascribed to Syrian people.

    Assyrian Christians mixed with Christian Arabs therefore you are no different to Syrian.

    The use Assyrian against Syrian is byitself an oxymoronism like Copts vs Egyptians. Even Coptic Pope came out and said: We are Egyptians just like those Muslims.

    But I understand your position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    You have basically said that Syrian Muslims have massacred Syrian Christians therefore you two divided into Syrians and Assyrians.
    Who said Syrian Muslims have massacred Syrian Christians? I said Baathists massacred Assyrians in Iraq. Baathists as in Iraqi Arab Baathists (which included some Iraqi Kurds). Nothing to do with Syria. Assyrians have never lived in Syria, at least until the 1930s when they fled to Northwestern Syria to seek refuge. They have historically always been in located northern Iraq and in the southwestern fringe of eastern Turkey. Heard of our cities like Assur and Nineveh? They are in what is now northern Iraq, not Syria.

    All that you ascribe to Assyrian people can easily be ascribed to Syrian people.
    Again. Two different peoples who come from two different nations with distinct historical backgrounds (one Assyrian/Akkadian/Babylonian and the other Aramean/Phoenician/Hittite). As different as Romanians and Bulgarians. Perhaps Syrian Christians may have been mistreated, but that doesn't make them Assyrian. And naturally, any citizen living in Syria will be a Syrian. There are Kurdish, Armenian, Turkmen, Azeri and Jewish Syrians. Does this mean these people are 'native' Syrians too and indigenous there? Of course not. They're all immigrants or recent settlers, and are mere minorities in Syria, alongside the Assyrians.

    Assyrian Christians mixed with Christian Arabs therefore you are no different to Syrian.
    We did not mix with Christian Arabs, besides a small group of Assyrians who may have, as they did with Armenians, Mandeans and Iraqi Arabs (no ethnic group is 100% pure anyway). That said, we are ethnically and linguistically distinct from Syrians and the more purer types in Western Asia. Otherwise, we wouldn't be speaking Aramaic and Arabic instead. Please, not to sound offensive, what would a complete foreigner know about us? How would you feel if I pretended to be an expert on Bosnians, Serbs and Croats and say "all the same" or other ignorant things? I think you'd cyber-murder me. Lol.

    The use Assyrian against Syrian is byitself an oxymoronism like Copts vs Egyptians. Even Coptic Pope came out and said: We are Egyptians just like those Muslims.
    Um, right, except Copts are in Egypt. Copts are native Egyptians and are indigenous to the land. So the Pope is right. They are just Egyptian Christians. Just like Lebanese Christians and Muslims are still Lebanese.

    Assyrians, on the other hand, are Mesopotamians (native to northern Iraq near Turkey and Iran) and have no strong blood relations to Syrians. You are comparing apples and oranges. If anything, we are more closely related to Armenians and some northern Iraqi Arabs, Mandeans, Georgian Jews, Iranian Jews, Kurdish Jews and as well Kurdish Muslims. Syrians and Lebanese people come later, but depending on the Assyrian they may be more more closer.

    You'll make a more credible point if you say modern day Iraqi Arabs are homogeneous to us. At least they're from the same region, despite being heavily Arabicized. I mean, Syria to our homeland is like Croatia to Romania or something. Not sure why you're likening us to people or a country who are not even from our region?




    My Gedmatch results (look where Syrian is):


    Where Assyrians cluster (notice how relatively distant Syrians are):


    But I understand your position.
    With all due respect, you really do not. As a foreigner, you should listen to what we have to say about our background and culture. We know our country more than you do. Like, come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    They are predominantly muslims, like 80%

    Assyrians and Syrians are the same thing, both name used because of religious differences.
    Dude you are pretty good at trolling people you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    You have basically said that Syrian Muslims have massacred Syrian Christians therefore you two divided into Syrians and Assyrians.

    All that you ascribe to Assyrian people can easily be ascribed to Syrian people.

    Assyrian Christians mixed with Christian Arabs therefore you are no different to Syrian.

    The use Assyrian against Syrian is byitself an oxymoronism like Copts vs Egyptians. Even Coptic Pope came out and said: We are Egyptians just like those Muslims.

    But I understand your position.
    Western Aramaics (Syrians) are different from Eastern Aramaics (Assyrians). Former are descended from Semitic tribes (Amoreans/Canaanites/Arameans and even Arabs), so they are Mediterranid/Orientalid mix, while latter assimilated large number of non-Semitic groups (Hurrians, Armenians), so they are mainly Taurid (Assyroid/Armenoid) by race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelati View Post
    Who said Syrian Muslims have massacred Syrian Christians? I said Baathists massacred Assyrians in Iraq. Baathists as in Iraqi Arab Baathists (which included some Iraqi Kurds). Nothing to do with Syria. Assyrians have never lived in Syria, at least until the 1930s when they fled to Northwestern Syria to seek refuge. They have historically always been in located northern Iraq and in the southwestern fringe of eastern Turkey. Heard of our cities like Assur and Nineveh? They are in what is now northern Iraq, not Syria.


    Again. Two different peoples who come from two different nations with distinct historical backgrounds (one Assyrian/Akkadian/Babylonian and the other Aramean/Phoenician/Hittite). As different as Romanians and Bulgarians. Perhaps Syrian Christians may have been mistreated, but that doesn't make them Assyrian. And naturally, any citizen living in Syria will be a Syrian. There are Kurdish, Armenian, Turkmen, Azeri and Jewish Syrians. Does this mean these people are 'native' Syrians too and indigenous there? Of course not. They're all immigrants or recent settlers, and are mere minorities in Syria, alongside the Assyrians.


    We did not mix with Christian Arabs, besides a small group of Assyrians who may have, as they did with Armenians, Mandeans and Iraqi Arabs (no ethnic group is 100% pure anyway). That said, we are ethnically and linguistically distinct from Syrians and the more purer types in Western Asia. Otherwise, we wouldn't be speaking Aramaic and Arabic instead. Please, not to sound offensive, what would a complete foreigner know about us? How would you feel if I pretended to be an expert on Bosnians, Serbs and Croats and say "all the same" or other ignorant things? I think you'd cyber-murder me. Lol.

    Assyrians, on the other hand, are Mesopotamians (native to northern Iraq near Turkey and Iran) and have no strong blood relations to Syrians. You are comparing apples and oranges. If anything, we are more closely related to Armenians and some northern Iraqi Arabs, Mandeans, Georgian Jews, Iranian Jews, Kurdish Jews and as well Kurdish Muslims. Syrians and Lebanese people come later, but depending on the Assyrian they may be more more closer.
    You'll make a more credible point if you say modern day Iraqi Arabs are homogeneous to us. At least they're from the same region, despite being heavily Arabicized. I mean, Syria to our homeland is like Croatia to Romania or something. Not sure why you're likening us to people or a country who are not even from our region?
    With all due respect, you really do not. As a foreigner, you should listen to what we have to say about our background and culture. We know our country more than you do. Like, come on.
    As I know, Assyrians,who lived in Hakkari, Bohtan and Tur-Abdin were divided into tribes. Which origin of these tribes? Are they descendants of refugees from Tamerlane or aborigines? From which places came their ancestors? Did they mixed with foreign Christians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hajimurad View Post
    As I know, Assyrians,who lived in Hakkari, Bohtan and Tur-Abdin were divided into tribes. Which origin of these tribes? Are they descendants of refugees from Tamerlane or aborigines? From which places came their ancestors? Did they mixed with foreign Christians?
    Some say Assyrians have always lived in those tribes in what is now southeastern Turkey, ever since the ancient times. Others say they migrated from ancient Assyrian cities of Assur and Nineveh and formed the tribes there, to escape from the spread of Islamicisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeWorshiper View Post
    they are the ancestors of all Jews( at least the oldest jews, Abraham...)

    they came from Caucasus(they was the same people as Armenians)
    Bible quotations are not facts. Only eastern mizrahi jews have ancestors from mesopotamia. The ancestors of Iraqi jews are babylonians rather than assyrians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hajimurad View Post
    As I know, Assyrians,who lived in Hakkari, Bohtan and Tur-Abdin were divided into tribes. Which origin of these tribes? Are they descendants of refugees from Tamerlane or aborigines? From which places came their ancestors? Did they mixed with foreign Christians?
    We Hakkari Assyrians are indigenous to the region of Hakkari and not refugees from the Mongol invasion. You can clearly see that from my Y-dna and mt-dna.

    No, we didn't mix with any foreign Christians at all, specifically if you mean Armenians.
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