Weird Sicilian GEDMatch -- what might explain this?!

**~~Sikeliot~~** · 07-25-2018, 09:05 PM

This person is heavily shifted toward Iran, Afghanistan, etc. in some calculators.

Their ancestry is from the northwest part of the island in Palermo province -- Terrasini, Isola delle Femmine, etc.

MDLP K23:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.74
2 European_Early_Farmers 19.96
3 Near_East 11.74
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.32
5 South_Central_Asian 9.50
6 North_African 8.79
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.84

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_West_ @ 6.202402
2 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 6.564743
3 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 6.619008
4 French_Jew_ @ 6.799089
5 Cretan_ @ 6.917086
6 Sicilian_East_ @ 7.077598
7 Maltese_ @ 7.527582
8 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 7.590324
9 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 8.034465
10 Turk_Jew_ @ 8.098645
11 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.348675
12 Italian_Jew_ @ 8.536321
13 Romanian_Jew_ @ 9.035811
14 Ashkenazi_ @ 9.347133
15 Moroccan_Jew_ @ 9.789661
16 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 9.975074
17 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 10.160913
18 Italian_South_ @ 10.615873
19 Syrian_Jew_ @ 10.666678
20 Sicilian_Center_ @ 11.042645

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sicilian_West_ +50% Syrian_Jew_ @ 4.087377

Eurogenes K13:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.55
2 West_Med 19.47
3 West_Asian 16.17
4 North_Atlantic 15.95
5 Baltic 9.42
6 Red_Sea 5.43
7 Northeast_African 1.54
8 South_Asian 1.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 3.02
2 Central_Greek 3.28
3 South_Italian 4.9
4 Ashkenazi 6.5
5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.54
6 West_Sicilian 7.62
7 Greek_Thessaly 9.19
8 Sephardic_Jewish 9.77
9 Italian_Jewish 10.43
10 Algerian_Jewish 10.59
11 Tunisian_Jewish 13.27
12 Tuscan 13.46
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.83
14 Cyprian 14.74
15 Lebanese_Muslim 17.28
16 Bulgarian 17.42
17 Turkish 17.69
18 Syrian 18.41
19 Romanian 19.53
20 North_Italian 19.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.5% East_Sicilian + 8.5% Kurdish @ 1.62
2 90.2% East_Sicilian + 9.8% Azeri @ 1.7
3 91.9% East_Sicilian + 8.1% Iranian @ 1.73
4 93.5% East_Sicilian + 6.5% Lezgin @ 1.83
5 88.2% East_Sicilian + 11.8% Turkish @ 1.89
6 92.4% East_Sicilian + 7.6% Kumyk @ 1.89
7 94.1% East_Sicilian + 5.9% Abhkasian @ 1.93
8 93.3% East_Sicilian + 6.7% Adygei @ 1.93
9 91.5% East_Sicilian + 8.5% Armenian @ 1.94
10 93.8% East_Sicilian + 6.2% Georgian @ 1.94
11 93.9% East_Sicilian + 6.1% Tabassaran @ 1.95
12 91.4% East_Sicilian + 8.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 1.95
13 88.9% Central_Greek + 11.1% Jordanian @ 1.95
14 93.8% East_Sicilian + 6.2% Chechen @ 2
15 94% East_Sicilian + 6% North_Ossetian @ 2.03
16 91.1% East_Sicilian + 8.9% Assyrian @ 2.04
17 89.6% Central_Greek + 10.4% Palestinian @ 2.08
18 90.5% Central_Greek + 9.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.11
19 93.1% East_Sicilian + 6.9% Turkmen @ 2.12
20 94.1% East_Sicilian + 5.9% Ossetian @ 2.12

Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.02
2 West_Med 16.14
3 West_Asian 14.66
4 Atlantic 11.07
5 North_Sea 9.74
6 Baltic 6.56
7 Red_Sea 5.13
8 Eastern_Euro 4.16
9 Northeast_African 1.58
10 South_Asian 0.93

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 4.03
2 East_Sicilian 4.11
3 Ashkenazi 4.64
4 South_Italian 4.72
5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.23
6 Italian_Jewish 7.32
7 West_Sicilian 8.04
8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.39
9 Algerian_Jewish 9.03
10 Greek 9.1
11 Greek_Thessaly 9.3
12 Tunisian_Jewish 11.82
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.7
14 Tuscan 12.87
15 Cyprian 13.01
16 Lebanese_Muslim 16.03
17 Bulgarian 16.52
18 Syrian 16.94
19 Turkish 17.21
20 Romanian 18.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.4% Central_Greek + 20.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.41
2 86.1% Central_Greek + 13.9% Jordanian @ 2.51
3 86.8% Central_Greek + 13.2% Palestinian @ 2.53
4 87.4% Central_Greek + 12.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.59
5 58.8% Greek_Thessaly + 41.2% Cyprian @ 2.61
6 86.8% Central_Greek + 13.2% Samaritan @ 2.76
7 72.1% Cyprian + 27.9% East_German @ 2.78
8 92.3% Central_Greek + 7.7% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.78
9 89.5% Central_Greek + 10.5% Egyptian @ 2.8
10 87.8% Central_Greek + 12.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.84
11 50.7% Ashkenazi + 49.3% South_Italian @ 2.87
12 88% East_Sicilian + 12% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.9
13 80.7% Central_Greek + 19.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.96
14 71.7% Cyprian + 28.3% West_German @ 2.97
15 72.1% Cyprian + 27.9% South_Dutch @ 2.99
16 86.1% Central_Greek + 13.9% Syrian @ 2.99
17 89.2% Central_Greek + 10.8% Bedouin @ 3
18 85.5% Central_Greek + 14.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.01
19 82.8% Central_Greek + 17.2% Cyprian @ 3.06
20 72.4% Central_Greek + 27.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.14

Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 34.03
2 Atlantic_Med 24.91
3 North_European 15.1
4 Southwest_Asian 11.24
5 Gedrosia 9.05
6 Northwest_African 4.6
7 East_African 1.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.19
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.38
3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 7.77
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.23
5 Greek (Dodecad) 9.11
6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 10.81
7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.9
8 O_Italian (Dodecad) 12.5
9 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 12.87
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 14.72
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.7
12 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.95
13 Cypriots (Behar) 18.66
14 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 20.11
15 Turks (Behar) 20.16
16 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 20.81
17 Lebanese (Behar) 21
18 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.03
19 Romanians (Behar) 21.68
20 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 15.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.31
2 63.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.7% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.48
3 70.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.6
4 70% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 30% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.87
5 67.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 32.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.98
6 85.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 14.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.02
7 69.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 4.08
8 71.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 28.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.09
9 70.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.1% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 4.09
10 84.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 15.6% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.12
11 53.5% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 46.5% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 4.14
12 70.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 4.2
13 73.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.8% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.21
14 67.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 32.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 4.21
15 82.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 17.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.22
16 71.5% Cypriots (Behar) + 28.5% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 4.29
17 71.6% Cypriots (Behar) + 28.4% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 4.3
18 70.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 4.3
19 73% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 27% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 4.31
20 71.4% Cypriots (Behar) + 28.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 4.32

HarappaWorld:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.86
2 Mediterranean 24.47
3 NE-Euro 16.15
4 SW-Asian 12.85
5 Baloch 10.38
6 E-African 1.43
7 S-Indian 0.59
8 Pygmy 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 4.17
2 ashkenazi (harappa) 5.63
3 sephardic-jew (behar) 9.2
4 morocco-jew (behar) 10.9
5 tuscan (1000genomes) 12.72
6 tuscan (hgdp) 13.29
7 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 13.71
8 tuscan (hapmap) 13.93
9 cypriot (behar) 17.94
10 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 18.68
11 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 18.9
12 lebanese (behar) 20.2
13 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 20.24
14 turk (behar) 20.37
15 turkish (harappa) 20.75
16 romanian-a (behar) 21.25
17 italian (hgdp) 21.43
18 armenian (harappa) 22.31
19 lebanese-muslim (haber) 22.55
20 syrian (behar) 22.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.1% italian (hgdp) + 43.9% iraq-jew (behar) @ 1.55
2 57.1% italian (hgdp) + 42.9% iranian-jew (behar) @ 1.6
3 54.9% georgia-jew (behar) + 45.1% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.72
4 62% tuscan (hapmap) + 38% palestinian (harappa) @ 1.83
5 69% tuscan (1000genomes) + 31% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 1.84
6 56.8% italian (hgdp) + 43.2% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 1.89
7 64.2% tuscan (1000genomes) + 35.8% palestinian (harappa) @ 1.93
8 65.1% tuscan (1000genomes) + 34.9% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 2.09
9 68.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 31.5% iraq-jew (behar) @ 2.25
10 69.4% tuscan (1000genomes) + 30.6% iranian-jew (behar) @ 2.26
11 55.7% italian (hgdp) + 44.3% georgia-jew (behar) @ 2.5
12 66.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 33.7% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 2.52
13 62.1% tuscan (hapmap) + 37.9% syrian (behar) @ 2.53
14 53.9% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 46.1% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.57
15 51.3% italian (hgdp) + 48.7% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.62
16 64.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 35.7% syrian (behar) @ 2.71
17 59.4% tuscan (hapmap) + 40.6% lebanese (behar) @ 2.74
18 56.3% italian (hgdp) + 43.7% assyrian (harappa) @ 2.79
19 62.1% tuscan (hapmap) + 37.9% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.85
20 61.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 38.3% lebanese (behar) @ 2.85

PuntDNA-L K13:

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 36.35
2 West_Asia 26.56
3 NE_Europe 17.08
4 SW_Asia 15.15
5 East_Africa 2.16
6 South_Asia 1.77
7 NE_Asia 0.52
8 South_Africa 0.4
9 Oceania 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazy_Jew 3.44
2 Italian_Sicilian 4.07
3 Greek_Central 5.87
4 Italian_Abruzzo 6.93
5 Sephardic_Jew 6.93
6 Greek_Thessaly 11.11
7 Albanian 11.86
8 Turkish 12.43
9 Kosovar 12.99
10 Cypriot 13.45
11 Italian_Tuscan 13.82
12 Turkish_Kayseri 14.96
13 Turkish_Aydin 15.29
14 Syrian 17.29
15 Bulgarian 17.47
16 Lebanese_Christian 17.9
17 Lebanese_Druze 17.99
18 Macedonian 18.05
19 Lebanese_Muslim 18.9
20 Balkar 18.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.2% Italian_Sicilian + 10.8% Tadjik @ 1.68
2 90.9% Italian_Sicilian + 9.1% Afghan_Pashtun @ 1.82
3 85.1% Italian_Sicilian + 14.9% Kumyk @ 1.85
4 87.3% Italian_Sicilian + 12.7% Chechen @ 1.91
5 91.6% Italian_Sicilian + 8.4% Pathan @ 1.97
6 91.4% Italian_Sicilian + 8.6% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 1.98
7 93.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 6.6% Pathan @ 2.06
8 92.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 7.1% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.06
9 93.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 6.7% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 2.07
10 94.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 5.9% Burusho @ 2.08
11 91.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.1% Tadjik @ 2.12
12 93.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 6.2% Balochi @ 2.12
13 93.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 6.1% Brahui @ 2.15
14 94.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 5.1% Punjabi @ 2.15
15 92.7% Italian_Sicilian + 7.3% Burusho @ 2.17
16 94.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 5.9% Makrani @ 2.19
17 94.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 5.6% Sindhi @ 2.19
18 90.8% Italian_Sicilian + 9.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.2
19 94.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 5.2% Kashmir_Pandit @ 2.2
20 92.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 7.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.23

**~~Hadouken~~** · 07-25-2018, 09:07 PM

its just high west asia / caucasus

Sikeliot ....

**~~Sikeliot~~** · 07-25-2018, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Hadouken

its just high west asia / caucasus

Sikeliot ....

It is the Gedrosia/Balochistan element, not the normal Caucasus one.

**~~Hadouken~~** · 07-25-2018, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sikeliot

It is the Gedrosia/Balochistan element, not the normal Caucasus one.

most calcs dont differentiate the gedrosia from chg/west asian though

**Myanthropologies** · 07-25-2018, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Sikeliot

It is the Gedrosia/Balochistan element, not the normal Caucasus one.

They are essentially the same thing.

**~~Sikeliot~~** · 07-25-2018, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hadouken

most calcs dont differentiate the gedrosia from chg/west asian though

This person is clearly more West Asian than the average Sicilian. Though I have noticed a peak in Caucasus type ancestry in a specific area of the island based on the results I see from there, it is an area I have ancestry from so I am interested in why this is.

Elymians?

**~~Hadouken~~** · 07-25-2018, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Sikeliot

This person is clearly more West Asian than the average Sicilian. Though I have noticed a peak in Caucasus type ancestry in a specific area of the island based on the results I see from there, it is an area I have ancestry from so I am interested in why this is.

Elymians?

i dont know but myheritage result would be interesting to see