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Romans were exclusively J2a as Anatolians, because it is universally accepted Fact that Romans are Anatolians.
Etruscans are Anatolians
Southern Italians are Anatolians
That fact can't even be challenged because it's written all over the place in ALL Hellenic historical scriptures written by Strabon, Herodotus etc...
If R1b was Major Haplogroup in Anatolia I would have agreed with you, but it isn't.
R1b came with Lombards, Franks, Normans, Vandals and others who Destroyed both ROMAN J2a people and Celtic I2 people.
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@ Bosniensis
Italy was created in 1861.
When you say that something is "Italian" keep that in mind.
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Those are steppe people from Western Ukraine and Russia. Ostrogothes aka Ostrhungi
Goths founded two great kingdoms, — that of the Ostro-Goths, or Greu'.hungi, east of the Dnieper, and that of the Visi-Goths, oj Thervingi
later Conquered Western Roman Empire.
They were R1 people
Emperor Manuel II Komnenos from 12th century said: "I will eradicate those barbarians and germanic people from Italy"
He gathered as much as he could Roman Army but failed to invade for many reasons.
Roman Empire is J2, I2 and E1 v13 nothing else.
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I think that saying that J2 and E-V13 were present in Italy because of Greek and Phoenician colonies is wrong. J2a clades in Italy seem to have been spread during the Neolithic and Bronze Age and so they are older, E-V13 was also probably present in Italic people’s since it was picked up by many IE groups
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Ydna: J1-ZS241
Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...
- Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.
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Those Indo-Europeans destroyed Both Roman Empire and Persian Empire
There is no such thing as Indo-European origins, they are EAST ASIAN people.
Roman and Persian civilization descend from Ancient IRAQ and SYRIA
That's why Romans built a temple of Bel in Syria because Bel was their ancient Diety
THOSE WHO LIE TODAY namely all Germanic and Steppe people LIE about everything.
You can't hear truth from them, they DESTROYED HELLENIC EUROPE. of course they will LIE.
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Do you agree with me that Italics/proto-Italics people were pred. R1b?
I think that they were mostly R1b-U152 with G2a-L497 and maybe some others haplogroup minority.
Even today R1b-U152 is the strongest haplogroup in Italy.
J2 and E1b probably is not only from Greek and Phoenician colonies, but also from Etruscans.
Al of them Greeks, Phoenicians and Etruscans which lived in Italy were conquered by Italics and later assimilated.
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Yh Italic people’s were mainly R1b-U152. They may have carried certain E-V13 clades in smaller numbers I think. G2a-L497 would seem possible as it has a link to the Celts, especially Hallstatt, and Celtic supposedly forms an IE branch with Italic. Etruscans and when they came to Italy is still a mystery, I have seen certain people claim that they came after the IE peoples had moved into Italy. I believe Etruscans would’ve mainly carried J2a clades
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Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian
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Ydna: J1-ZS241
Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...
- Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.
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Bosniensis don't want to accept the fact that R1a and R1b haplogroups were present among ancient people such as: Romans, Thracians, ancient Greeks, Illyrians, Persians, Hittites...
According to Bosniensis R1a and R1b came to Europe from central Asia in 5th century.
For him ancient people were only I2a and J2, and nothing else.
Italics were predominantly R1b-U152.
Aryans which conquered India were R1a-Z93.
Proto-Greeks were probably some eastern branch of R1b.
There are opinions that Minoans were R1a.
Hittites were probably predominantly R1b.
It's posible that proto-Thracians were R1a-Z93. This haplogroup was found in ancient nescoplises in Bulgaria which are +3000 years old.
I don't understand what Bosniensis have against R1?
His "arguments" are just trollish fantasies without any material evidence.
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