Slavophone Greeks=Macedono-Bulgarians=ethnic Macedonians

[Jana]

I'd have to say we are much lower North Eastern shifted that that. Well Macedonians anyway. Unless there's something other then gedmatch and 23andme that can change my mind. Proud to be Balkan and Southern anyway.


Yeah, linguistic for sure.


Spot on genetically. Nothing distinguishes us genetically across the entire region of Macedonia which we may be from.

Culturally we have the same customs, traditions, music and songs even to this day. For example, we have the same wedding celebrations.

Historically, the Slavic speaking Macedonians have been divided from eachother since 1912 and 1913 when Macedonia was dived after the fall of the Ottoman empire. But until then, Slavic Macedonians of the whole region fought together to establish a autonomous Macedonia.



"Nezavisma Makedonia" (Independent Macedonia)

"za nea nie se borime. za nea nie umirame" (for her we fight. for her we die.)

So historically we shared common goals as a collective Macedonian Slavic entity. But I agree that today we share different identities. Greek, Bulgarian and Macedonian. Depending on which side of the border we ended up after the division of Macedonia.

Good post

Read genetic studies on Bulgarians( They are geneticaly same as Macedonians) from wiki, that is where i get my information from and these are Professional studies with citations and everything

[Nurzat]

I don't care about Balkans, your people are not similar to mine.

And you are more Southern shifted than me, i saw your results when you post Full Oracle unless hiding it or fixing your results to fit your wishes.

From my understanding you are some Romanian Slavic mix with typical Balkan Ydna that is actually more Southern shifted than Full blooded Moldavians with no recent Slavic roots.

In my opinion you are ashamed to live in Romania for some reason and Try to associate with East Slavs as much as possible, which is another negative trait, making you a traitor.

lol, you know nothing of the Ukrainian and Russian communities native to Romania. maybe you should convince yourself we are no less Ukrainian in language and customs than the ones in Ukraine:

Union of the Ukrainians in Romania

Union of the Lipovan Russians in Romania

it's full of events, the community is very active, from children to adults and older people. my closest relatives are often mentioned in the magazines you find on the website, since they are involved with sports (cousins of mine are or were in a national team of winter sports and other team sports plus rowing, Romania national teams I mean) and arts and crafts (like pysanky/Ukrainian painted eggs, of which an aunt is renown). if these people use Ukrainian as first language and have all these activities based on that, that you can clearly check on the internet, how are we not Ukrainian or how are we Romanian ethnic/Balkanic? we live in northernmost Romania by the border with Ukraine and no one has a problem with it, we are Romanian citizens, no one hates Romania, and no one wants to unite to Ukraine the country, but at the same time we are ethnically Ukrainian

PS. I was not disrespectful when saying Croats are just Catholic Serbs - it's my opinion, that's all. if we go to the extremes each region could say they are a different nation, and it would be a mess, that's all, I just say those speaking the same language can live within the same borders or can be identified together. no need to start a feud against me for stating an opinion, no name-calling or slurs etc.. in the end you are short-tempered like any other Balkan, and it's a wonderful thing (better than icy Central Euros)

[Archduke]

I'd have to say we are much lower North Eastern shifted that that. Well Macedonians anyway. Unless there's something other then gedmatch and 23andme that can change my mind. Proud to be Balkan and Southern anyway.



Yeah, linguistic for sure.




Spot on genetically. Nothing distinguishes us genetically across the entire region of Macedonia which we may be from.

Culturally we have the same customs, traditions, music and songs even to this day. For example, we have the same wedding celebrations.

Historically, the Slavic speaking Macedonians have been divided from eachother since 1912 and 1913 when Macedonia was dived after the fall of the Ottoman empire. But until then, Slavic Macedonians of the whole region fought together to establish a autonomous Macedonia.



"Nezavisma Makedonia" (Independent Macedonia)

"za nea nie se borime. za nea nie umirame" (for her we fight. for her we die.)

So historically we shared common goals as a collective Macedonian Slavic entity. But I agree that today we share different identities. Greek, Bulgarian and Macedonian. Depending on which side of the border we ended up after the division of Macedonia.

"Независима Македония - за нея ние се боримъ, за нея ние мремъ". How would that look written in Macedonian with Macedonian script?

Macedonian revolutionaries had been connected with Bulgaria because Bulgaria supported them a lot, but why did they used the Bulgarian script and standard language? Weren't they afraid that they might be mistaken for Bulgarians?

Meanwhile in Ravda, 20-30 km far from Burgas...

800px-Ravda_monument.jpg

[Jana]

lol, you know nothing of the Ukrainian and Russian communities native to Romania. maybe you should convince yourself we are no less Ukrainian in language and customs than the ones in Ukraine:

Union of the Ukrainians in Romania

Union of the Lipovan Russians in Romania

it's full of events, the community is very active, from children to adults and older people. my closest relatives are often mentioned in the magazines you find on the website, since they are involved with sports (cousins of mine are or were in a national team of winter sports and other team sports plus rowing, Romania national teams I mean) and arts and crafts (like pysanky/Ukrainian painted eggs, of which an aunt is renown). if these people use Ukrainian as first language and have all these activities based on that, that you can clearly check on the internet, how are we not Ukrainian or how are we Romanian ethnic/Balkanic? we live in northernmost Romania by the border with Ukraine and no one has a problem with it, we are Romanian citizens, no one hates Romania, and no one wants to unite to Ukraine the country, but at the same time we are ethnically Ukrainian

PS. I was not disrespectful when saying Croats are just Catholic Serbs - it's my opinion, that's all. if we go to the extremes each region could say they are a different nation, and it would be a mess, that's all, I just say those speaking the same language can live within the same borders or can be identified together. no need to start a feud against me for stating an opinion, no name-calling or slurs etc.. in the end you are short-tempered like any other Balkan, and it's a wonderful thing (better than icy Central Euros)

I am hot blooded Dalmatian, child of Adriatic not central europe...

Sorry if I was bit harsh. If you really are Ukrainian than that is another thing.

[Crn Volk]

lol, I am West Ukrainian both culturally and genetically. then I understand your frustration - you Balkan Slavs are less Slavic genetically even than Romanians or Moldovans, so I am not surprised by your identity issues. all in all Macedonians are Bulgarians, the same as Croats and Bosniaks are Serbian or Cypriotes are Greek

As a Ukrainian you should know exactly about identity issues. Are you Russian or Polish for example. Should Novorossiya join Russia? The Ukrainian issue is the same as the Balkans so don’t try and take the high ground here.

[Crn Volk]

I'd have to say we are much lower North Eastern shifted that that. Well Macedonians anyway. Unless there's something other then gedmatch and 23andme that can change my mind. Proud to be Balkan and Southern anyway.



Yeah, linguistic for sure.




Spot on genetically. Nothing distinguishes us genetically across the entire region of Macedonia which we may be from.

Culturally we have the same customs, traditions, music and songs even to this day. For example, we have the same wedding celebrations.

Historically, the Slavic speaking Macedonians have been divided from eachother since 1912 and 1913 when Macedonia was dived after the fall of the Ottoman empire. But until then, Slavic Macedonians of the whole region fought together to establish a autonomous Macedonia.



"Nezavisma Makedonia" (Independent Macedonia)

"za nea nie se borime. za nea nie umirame" (for her we fight. for her we die.)

So historically we shared common goals as a collective Macedonian Slavic entity. But I agree that today we share different identities. Greek, Bulgarian and Macedonian. Depending on which side of the border we ended up after the division of Macedonia.

Spot on

[Crn Volk]

"Независима Македония - за нея ние се боримъ, за нея ние мремъ". How would that look written in Macedonian with Macedonian script?

Macedonian revolutionaries had been connected with Bulgaria because Bulgaria supported them a lot, but why did they used the Bulgarian script and standard language? Weren't they afraid that they might be mistaken for Bulgarians?

Meanwhile in Ravda, 20-30 km far from Burgas...

800px-Ravda_monument.jpg

Bulgaria helped us enormously. My ancestors studied in Bulgarian Exarchist schools and worshipped in Exarchate churches, so naturally they used the Bulgarian script until our language was codified after WW2.
Give it time bro, Bulgarophobia is dying out.

Love the plaque

[catgeorge]

They are multi lingual Greco-Vlachs they have nothing to do with you people. They denounced you a long time ago.

[Crn Volk]

They are multi lingual Greco-Vlachs they have nothing to do with you people. They denounced you a long time ago.

I assume you mean Slavophone Greeks. Well they are divided. Take Vojnik’s family from Greece for example who identify as ethnic Macedonians. I also have family members like that.

[catgeorge]

I assume you mean Slavophone Greeks. Well they are divided. Take Vojnik’s family from Greece for example who identify as ethnic Macedonians.

Vojnik is a Yugobulgar where his grandparents were expelled and now persona non grata actually. His great grand parents identified as Bulgarians