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    Default Ali Ibn Ali - Abu Bakr

    Who was the rightful Khalif after Muhammad?

    I really dont understand the whole conflict

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    Shia say that Ali was chosen by Muhammad to lead Muslims after him. Ali was the cousin of Muhammad (but much younger than him), since Muhammad didn't have any son, he was considered the legit heir to Muhammad's position.

    Most muslims didn't agree, they called for a Shura, the leading men gathered and elected Abu Bakr.

    There was no war, Ali accepted his Caliphdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Shia say that Ali was chosen by Muhammad to lead Muslims after him. Ali was the cousin of Muhammad (but much younger than him), since Muhammad didn't have any son, he was considered the legit heir to Muhammad's position.

    Most muslims didn't agree, they called for a Shura, the leading men gathered and elected Abu Bakr.

    There was no war, Ali accepted his Caliphdom.
    So Ali historically never was the khalif?

    Is this factual or a matter of interpretation?

    I mean isnt the whole SHIA faith based upon Ali as the rightful khalif?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    So Ali historically never was the khalif?

    Is this factual or a matter of interpretation?

    I mean isnt the whole SHIA faith based upon Ali as the rightful khalif?
    Ali became the 4th Caliph after Abu Bakr, Omar and Uthman.

    There was no Sunni-Shia divison, but there were fanatics of Ali.

    Sunni Shia division appeared after Ali's assassination and murder of his children, beginning of Ummayyad Caliphate.

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    There was no struggle at era of Abu Bakr.
    Struggle starts after 3rd caliph Uthman from Umayya family is murdered by Egyptian converts Coptes. Ali became Caliph after Uthman.
    Uthman's relatives (Muawiyya, governor of Damascus) blamed Ali of not trying to hunt down the murderers. That escalated and turned into conflict between Ali and his army versus Umayyad supported also by Muhammad's wife Aisha.

    At Siffin battle, when Ali army was winning, the Umayyad army made cunning move. They took Quran pages and put them on top of their swords. Ali army didn't want to cross swords and cut the Quran pages. Ali failed to remove Umayyad forces.

    Later things were settled, but it escalated to incredible levels after Ali's son Hussain was decapitated by Umayyad forces sent by Muawiya's son Yazid. Muslims split forever and never united again. Umayyads seized power and established huge empire from India to France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Ali became the 4th Caliph after Abu Bakr, Omar and Uthman.

    There was no Sunni-Shia divison, but there were fanatics of Ali.

    Sunni Shia division appeared after Ali's assassination and murder of his children, beginning of Ummayyad Caliphate.
    Who assassinated alis family?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    There was no struggle at era of Abu Bakr.
    Struggle starts after 3rd caliph Uthman from Umayya family is murdered by Egyptian converts Coptes. Ali became Caliph after Uthman.
    Uthman's relatives (Muawiyya, governor of Damascus) blamed Ali of not trying to hunt down the murderers. That escalated and turned into conflict between Ali and his army versus Umayyad supported also by Muhammad's wife Aisha.

    At Siffin battle, when Ali army was winning, the Umayyad army made cunning move. They took Quran pages and put them on top of their swords. Ali army didn't want to cross swords and cut the Quran pages. Ali failed to remove Umayyad forces.

    Later things were settled, but it escalated to incredible levels after Ali's son Hussain was decapitated by Umayyad forces sent by Muawiya's son Yazid. Muslims split forever and never united again. Umayyads seized power and established huge empire from India to France.
    When and for what reason did shia islam occured?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Who assassinated alis family?
    Khwarijs assassinated Ali but his children were murdered by Yazid, son of Muaviya. It's was a war of throne basically. Muaviya and his family basically won the war and became the Ummayyad dynasty. Ali's supporters got fanaticized and started to see him a divine being.

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    Abu Bakr was the father of Muhammad's favourite wife and child bride Aisha. There was also the Battle of the camel, which was between Ibn Ali and Aisha.

    To be honest: Who gives a fuck besides Muslims on who was the rightful successor to Mohammad. All rubbish anyway.

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