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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Khwarijs assassinated Ali but his children were murdered by Yazid, son of Muaviya. It's was a war of throne basically. Muaviya and his family basically won the war and became the Ummayyad dynasty. Ali's supporters got fanaticized and started to see him a divine being.
    Is the difference of Shia and Sunni Islam only defined by this conflict?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Abu Bakr was the father of Muhammad's favourite wife and child bride Aisha. There was also the Battle of the camel, which was between Ibn Ali and Aisha.

    To be honest: Who gives a fuck besides Muslims on who was the rightful successor to Mohammad. All rubbish anyway.
    Nobody really argues about it anymore though, besides, Ali is considered a rightful Caliph and a respectable leader by Sunnis. Major division is that Shias now believe Ali's divinity, which Sunnis find it Shirk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Is the difference of Shia and Sunni Islam only defined by this conflict?
    No, this is the start of division, later some theological differences are built upon, to an extend that Sunnis started to consider Shia islam (at least some sects) hererical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    No, this is the start of division, later some theological differences are built upon, to an extend that Sunnis started to consider Shia islam (at least some sects) hererical.
    And vice versa?

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    Muhammad: died because of natural reasons.
    Then he was followed by ''Prophet representatives'' known as Caliphs.

    Most were murdered.

    1st caliph Abu Bakr: died naturally.
    2nd caliph Umar: murdered while praying by a Sasanian Persian who posed as Muslim
    3rd caliph Uthman: murdered by convert Egyptians by fear Uthman would punish them.
    4th caliph Ali: murdered while going to mosque by Kwariji Arab
    5th caliph Hassan: poisoned after he gave caliphate to Muawiya willingly

    Then Umayyads take caliphate with Muawiyyah and don't give it up.
    Muhammad's grand son Hussain (Ali's son) challenges them but pays with his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    And vice versa?
    Not really, Shia islam is not as Unified as Sunni Islam. It has been a minority sect and got developed independently in many places. Some sects of Shia islam are considered outright heretical such as Alawism. Shias in general sees Sunnis oppressive, not heretical.

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    For instance, in Ottoman Empire, Janissaries belonged to Shia Bektashi order, but Ottomans hated Alevis (different than Alawis) with passion and considered heretical.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bektashi_Order

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    Thank you guys for clerification, highly appriciate it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    For instance, in Ottoman Empire, Janissaries belonged to Shia Bektashi order, but Ottomans hated Alevis (different than Alawis) with passion.
    Bektashi was Sufism with a more-Shia-than-Sunni leaning. That isnt like Twelver Jafarism. First Ottomans themselves were Bektashis too. Ottomans truly became Sunnis because Ismail Safavid somewhat forced them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Is the difference of Shia and Sunni Islam only defined by this conflict?
    The hadiths they follow are also different. For example, Shias dont follow the 5 main Sunni sahihs. For example Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

    I'd assume you know, but id explain anyway. Hadiths are a collection of literature that have within them, the sunah (tradition) of Muhammad (supposedly). Even though they were written 200 years after Muhammad's death. They are used to interpret the Quran.

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