Jesus appears to atheist

**Loki** · 08-08-2018, 09:08 PM

**GreentheViper** · 08-08-2018, 09:14 PM

Appear to me and I'll believe. He's yet to appear

**Loki** · 08-08-2018, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by GreentheViper

Appear to me and I'll believe. He's yet to appear

Who do you think you are? That's a bit arrogant, don't you think? He owes you absolutely nothing.

**GreentheViper** · 08-08-2018, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

Who do you think you are? That's a bit arrogant, don't you think? He owes you absolutely nothing.

Why is that arrogant? He's not appeared to me so I can't believe.

**Loki** · 08-08-2018, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by GreentheViper

Why is that arrogant? He's not appeared to me so I can't believe.

He's not required to appear to you in order to believe. I think he will especially not appear to arrogant people who have no faith. Faith is God's way for mankind. If you reject his ways, then there is no hope for you. End of story.

You make it sound as if you will benefit Jesus if you believed in him. You won't! You will only benefit yourself. He does not need you, you need him.

Rgvgjhvv · 08-08-2018, 09:24 PM

Yikes

**GreentheViper** · 08-08-2018, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

He's not required to appear to you in order to believe. I think he will especially not appear to arrogant people who have no faith. Faith is God's way for mankind. If you reject his ways, then there is no hope for you. End of story.

What if someone is open to belief but hadn't seen enough evidence so suggest that he's real, like myself? That isn't arrogant in any way, simply curiosity.

**Loki** · 08-08-2018, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by GreentheViper

What if someone is open to belief but hadn't seen enough evidence so suggest that he's real, like myself? That isn't arrogant in any way, simply curiosity.

Then I would urge you to investigate all there is... there is SO much. I have investigated the Bible and historical evidence, and it made me absolutely certain of the authenticity of Jesus and his claims.

**1R0N M4N XL** · 08-09-2018, 03:28 AM

God will only appear to people who calls his name in good faith & seek him truthfully..

will you response to anybody who you know is just playing a game with you? or joking around?..

I myself will only response to people who are serious.

**Armenian Bishop** · 08-09-2018, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by GreentheViper

What if someone is open to belief but hadn't seen enough evidence so suggest that he's real, like myself? That isn't arrogant in any way, simply curiosity.

This suits the discussion well. "Doubting Thomas" taken from KJV of he Gospel of John:

24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...rsion=KJV;NASB