Bulgarian Turks = Mixture of Gypsies, Bulgarian, Anatolian Turks, Central Asian Turks

[ButlerKing]

" The haplotypes of the Turks from Bulgaria as converted to haplogroups make up the following frequencies: J2 (18%), I2 (13%), E (13%), H (11%), R1a (10%), R1b (8%), I1 (6%), J1 (6%), G (6%), N (5%), Q (3%).[20] The most common haplogroup of the Turkish people from Turkey is also J2. The second most common haplogroup I2 is negligible in Turkey and Asia, and came out the most common among Bulgarians and in the Balkans. The Roma people are least proximal to the other ethnic groups largely carrying haplogroup H. The haplogroups N and Q normally represent Altaic and Central Asian ancestry. "

Haplogroup H which is undoubtly highest in Roma/Gypsies of Europe at 48% and in Bulgarian gypsies is present at 11% in Bulgarian Turks
Haplogroup I1a 6% and I2 13% in Bulgarian Turk is clearly native to Bulgarian and central European. Haplogroup E 13% is common in both Balkans and anatolian Turks

Haplogroup N 5% and Q 3% is 8% and that's because Bulgatian Turks also have ancestry from Pecheneg, Oğuz ect

Bulgarian Turks phenotypes. Should we see these people as Turks or a mix of different ethnicities?

They are the largest ethnic minority in Bulgaria making nearly 1 out 10 of the country's population.

[Böri]

Muslim Gypsies and Bulgarian Muslims pretend to be Turks but they in fact aren't. In the Balkans, the other Muslims often claim to be Turks when in fact they aren't.

[Thracian]

These people are not Bulgarian Turks you liar moron.

[ButlerKing]

These people are not Bulgarian Turks you liar moron.

Type " Bulgarian Turks " in google and than go to images.

[Hadouken]

@Thambi , Purohit and others

[Thracian]

Type " Bulgarian Turks " in google and than go to images.

I don't need type that while I am a Balkan Turk.

[Sora]

ButlerKing, are you fine? Please look at this page and speak after this:

https://turkishdna.blogspot.com/2018...y-dna.html?m=1

Then look at this result:

MDLP K23b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.51
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.88
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.68
4 Near_East 5.63
5 South_Central_Asian 5.39
6 Tungus-Altaic 2.55
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.38
8 North_African 1.68
9 Australoid 1.26
10 East_Siberian 1.24
11 African_Pygmy 1.04


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 6.544391
2 Greek_Northwest_ @ 7.134318
3 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.244408
4 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 7.403837
5 Gagauz_ @ 7.743945
6 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 7.788754
7 Bulgarian_ @ 8.002268
8 Kosovar_ @ 8.258061
9 Romanian_ @ 8.454732
10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 8.469614
11 Central_Greek_ @ 8.913568
12 Macedonian_ @ 9.671342
13 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 10.103348
14 Greek_ @ 10.730290
15 Montenegrian_ @ 11.920943
16 Greek_Athens_ @ 12.211871
17 Italian_North_ @ 12.432179
18 Ashkenazi_ @ 12.573441
19 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 13.361238
20 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 13.573918

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serb_Serbia_ +50% Turk_Balikesir_ @ 2.848598


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek_ +25% Greek_Northwest_ +25% Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.178673


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 1.880302
2 Albanian_Tirana_ + Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 1.922729
3 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 1.975414
4 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + German_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Turk_Aydin_ @ 2.059232
5 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.077143
6 Central_Greek_ + Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.080682
7 Albanian_Tirana_ + Bulgarian_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.081470
8 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.085079
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Bergamo_ + Slovak_ + Turk_Aydin_ @ 2.088884
10 Azov_Greek_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.103130
11 Albanian_Tirana_ + Azov_Greek_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.112477
12 Gagauz_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.118680
13 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.128006
14 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.130313
15 Central_Greek_ + Greek_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.132738
16 Central_Greek_ + Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.136379
17 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.143573
18 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.146717
19 Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.157527
20 Croat_BH_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ + Kosovar_ + Nogai_ @ 2.157625

They can be modelled as 1/2 Balkan + 1/4 Anatolian + 1/4 Turkmen

[Thambi]

BK da fuq man?? No wonder indians have a bad name on this forum. Just stop. btw that was pulled from wikipedia. I couldn't find any other source with those haplogroup percentages for bulgarian turks. So you might as well have edited it on there who knows.

[ButlerKing]

ButlerKing, are you fine? Please look at this page and speak after this:

https://turkishdna.blogspot.com/2018...y-dna.html?m=1

Then look at this result:

MDLP K23b:
Spoiler!

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.51
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.88
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.68
4 Near_East 5.63
5 South_Central_Asian 5.39
6 Tungus-Altaic 2.55
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.38
8 North_African 1.68
9 Australoid 1.26
10 East_Siberian 1.24
11 African_Pygmy 1.04


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 6.544391
2 Greek_Northwest_ @ 7.134318
3 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.244408
4 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 7.403837
5 Gagauz_ @ 7.743945
6 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 7.788754
7 Bulgarian_ @ 8.002268
8 Kosovar_ @ 8.258061
9 Romanian_ @ 8.454732
10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 8.469614
11 Central_Greek_ @ 8.913568
12 Macedonian_ @ 9.671342
13 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 10.103348
14 Greek_ @ 10.730290
15 Montenegrian_ @ 11.920943
16 Greek_Athens_ @ 12.211871
17 Italian_North_ @ 12.432179
18 Ashkenazi_ @ 12.573441
19 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 13.361238
20 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 13.573918

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serb_Serbia_ +50% Turk_Balikesir_ @ 2.848598


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek_ +25% Greek_Northwest_ +25% Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.178673


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 1.880302
2 Albanian_Tirana_ + Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 1.922729
3 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 1.975414
4 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + German_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Turk_Aydin_ @ 2.059232
5 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.077143
6 Central_Greek_ + Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.080682
7 Albanian_Tirana_ + Bulgarian_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.081470
8 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.085079
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Bergamo_ + Slovak_ + Turk_Aydin_ @ 2.088884
10 Azov_Greek_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.103130
11 Albanian_Tirana_ + Azov_Greek_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.112477
12 Gagauz_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.118680
13 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.128006
14 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.130313
15 Central_Greek_ + Greek_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.132738
16 Central_Greek_ + Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.136379
17 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.143573
18 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.146717
19 Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.157527
20 Croat_BH_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ + Kosovar_ + Nogai_ @ 2.157625

They can be modelled as 1/2 Balkan + 1/4 Anatolian + 1/4 Turkmen

I never said they don't have Turkish ancestry.


But 11% of their Y-DNA are gypsies and who knows how many in mtDNA
Also haplogroup I is 19% in Bulgarian Turks and this marker is nearly non-existant in Anatolian Turks.
Than there's haplogroup E which is more common in the Balkan(18-40%) than in Turkey 10.78% but is 13% in Bulgarian Turks, properly more than half is from Balkans.
As for haplogroup R in Bulgarian Turks is less than half of the R frequencies in Anatolian Turks. Don't know if J2 and J1 in Bulgarians Turks are from Anatolian Turks or Bulgarian Turks as both have similar frequencies same in the Balkans and southern Europe. J1 and J2 is highest in Caucasus mountain ethnic groups and Arabian penisula

" Other Y-DNA studies considered the Bulgarians closest either to Macedonians, Serbs, Bulgarian Turks or Gagauzes, followed either by some of these or by Romanians, or Bosniaks.[11][51][52][53] "

[ButlerKing]

BK da fuq man?? No wonder indians have a bad name on this forum. Just stop. btw that was pulled from wikipedia. I couldn't find any other source with those haplogroup percentages for bulgarian turks. So you might as well have edited it on there who knows.

That genetic study had been around since 2016 and the study is here.

Y-chromosomal STR haplotypes in three major population groups in Bulgaria
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ps_in_Bulgaria

Abstract
"
A total of 280 unrelated males from the three largest population groups in Bulgaria: Bulgarians, Bulgarian Turks and Gypsies, were analyzed for seven Y-chromosome STRs (DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389II, DYS390, DYS391, DYS392 and DYS393). Comparison of the allele frequency distributions revealed significant differences between the three ethnic groups which were confirmed with haplotype analysis. This permits us to suggest that population differentiation should be taken into account in forensic case analysis and paternity testing in Bulgaria. "

They can be modelled as 1/2 Balkan + 1/4 Anatolian + 1/4 Turkmen

There's no genetic study on original Turkmen DNA. Some Turkmen tribes are super Mongoloid looking while other are very Caucasoid looking.

The major Turkmen tribes are Teke (Tekke), Yomut (Yomud), Ersari (Ärsary), Chowdur (Choudur) and Saryk (Saryq). The most numerous are the Teke

Here is original Oghuz Turk and is a Mongoloid.