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Thread: Bosnian Serb Mehmet Sokolovic (Ottoman Grandvizier): Crypto Orthodox?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Christian Slavs don't talk bullshit against Perun, Veles, Kresnik, Triglav, Svarog and other Slavic pagan goods. you taling bullshits against religion of your ancestors - Orthodoxy.

    Slavic paganism is partly still live in Serbian Orthodoxy, many Serbian Orthodox customs are clearly christianized Slavic pagan customs.
    We did not talk trash against Orthodoxy before 1900's, as you have heard we built churches.

    The fact you allied with Russia and removed us from Serbia, Eastern Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece is the reason why we hate Orthodox Church.

    You have succeed in our removal now don't complain how we observe orthodox people from negative context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Well it's dead now, you have your Turkey our Turanism etc.. Let's see how far you will reach with Racism and Nationalism.

    We achieved a lot, can modern Turkey do better? It's seem to me it will collapse anytime soon.

    Oh yeah we betrayed Ottoman Empire with Hundreds of Thousands dead bodies we gave for protection of Ottoman borders. Shame on you.
    LoL what did Sokolovic achieve? The destruction of his fleet at Lepanto by Spanish-Venetian joint navy? He destroyed the social construct and the empire itself. He did nothing but serving his own Serbian people with church restoration and building of great construction works (Drina bridge being good example). We can even call him a Serb nationalist as he didn't build Orthodox churches under Greek control as they were meant to be. The guy restored Serbian Orthodoxy. I won't refer to stupidity and betrayal as tolerance.
    Sokolovic was traitor Serb by our standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    LoL what did Sokolovic achieve? The destruction of his fleet at Lepanto by Spanish-Venetian joint navy? He destroyed the social construct and the empire itself. He did nothing but serving his own Serbian people with church restoration and building of great construction works (Drina bridge being good example). I won't refer to stupidity and betrayal as tolerance.
    Sokolovic was traitor Serb by our standards.
    Don't use that "OUR STANDARDS" for your standards are not standards of everyone in Anatolia.

    It's your RACIST standards, Ottomans failed after 500+ years and now your racist brain is seeking a traitor because that's your natural instinct.

    Most of modern Turks don't see Mehmed Paša Sokolovic as you do... wast minority are believers of conspiracy theories.. mostly racists, turanist people like yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    We did not talk trash against Orthodoxy before 1900's, as you have heard we built churches.

    The fact you allied with Russia and removed us from Serbia, Eastern Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece is the reason why we hate Orthodox Church.

    You have succeed in our removal now don't complain how we observe orthodox people from negative context.
    Most responsible for removing of Muslim Serbs from Serbia is sultan and Muslims Serbs. According to Hatišerif which sultan gave to Miloš Obrenović in 1830 one of the points was removing Muslims Serbs from Serbia in the time of 6 months. Regardless Hatišerif most of Muslims left Serbia +30 years later in period 1861-1867. Muslims did not want to live in Chiristian country with Christaian rulers (Obrenović dinasty) and they moved mostly to Bosnia and minority of them to Turkey.
    Last edited by Pribislav; 08-13-2018 at 12:50 PM.

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    Btw I don't want to sound as racist here the point is the weakness of the Muslim social fabric and simple ease of being called Muslim and how Muslim constructions are weak in self-protection. That starts with the murder of the Caliph Umar by a Persian crypto in 645 AD who killed him while Umar was praying in mosque.

    Serbs are an important people in the history of the Ottoman dynasty. Ottomans are longest dynasty in world history where the paternal lineage was never broken for 623 years of rule. They all descend from a guy named from Ertuğrul.

    During the 623 years, the Ottomans married into foreign Christian nobility only twice. And both princesses were Serbs (Olivera Lazarevic and Mara Brankovic). Ottomans had intimate relations with Orthodox Serbs. So the issue isn't with Serbs as a nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Christian Slavs don't talk bullshit against Perun, Veles, Kresnik, Triglav, Svarog and other Slavic pagan gods. You talking bullshits against religion of your ancestors - Orthodoxy.

    Slavic paganism partly still live in Serbian Orthodoxy. Many Serbian Orthodox customs are clearly christianized Slavic pagan customs.
    Paganism is a degenerate belief, check out Moloch, Baal and shit like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Hahahhaha. People were illiterate, the children has to see the brutal massacres of Ottoman army (impalement on the picket)

    Those people who are pro-Ottomanists are most often the religious fanatics.
    The Ottoman Empire was good for its time, talking about it positively isn't a sin, what is a sin is wanting it back (like Bakir sucking up to Erdogan) In the same way Yugoslavia was good for its time and shouldn't be repeated. You shouldn't dismiss someone as an Islamist just because they say Ottoman times were good, just like you shouldn't dismiss someone as a Communist for saying Yugoslavia was good while it lasted. The past is the past, it has constructed us into what we are today and we can't change it, nor should we want to.

    Thank God the Ottoman Empire fell and that Communism came to our territories though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    We did not talk trash against Orthodoxy before 1900's, as you have heard we built churches.

    The fact you allied with Russia and removed us from Serbia, Eastern Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece is the reason why we hate Orthodox Church.

    You have succeed in our removal now don't complain how we observe orthodox people from negative context.
    Russia liberated Bulgaria and Moldavia from the Muslim occupators. They protected orthodox people against Ottomans (also perhaps your ancestros ruled the orthodox Serbian people, like many muslim families did and of course that Serbs orthodox didn't like that). Russia helped also (indirectly) Serbia to make independent.

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    Why, for the hell, Bosniaks like the Ottomans time? I understand that their grandfathers lived in a peace sine they were Muslims, but it was HELL for non-muslim (non-Turkish) people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Why, for the hell, Bosniaks like the Ottomans time? I understand that their grandfathers lived in a peace sine they were Muslims, but it was HELL for non-muslim (non-Turkish) people.
    Why should they care for how their neighbour's, who 20 years ago were killing them, lived 500 years ago?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold-Shekel View Post
    Why should they care for how their neighbour's, who 20 years ago were killing them, lived 500 years ago?
    Becouse the ancesteors of someone who are today crying for Serb crimes killed more Serbs in Ottoman times than that Serbs killed here in Bosnia. It is selfish to say that Bosniaks were always "peaceful" people, since it isn't truth, neither are Serbs of course.

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