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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    Close by which definition?

    Anatolian Greeks (Greeks from Turkey) make around 30% of Greece’s population. They are similar to Turks, Armenians etc. But other Greeks are not close to West Asia.

    For example we Cretans are close only to Sephardic Jews. That’s the only Middle Eastern population that we cluster with. And Sephardic Jews are significantly southern European.
    Even Greeks from western coastal Turkey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    So then are you ok with saying Northern Greeks are closer to Central Europeans?
    From the genetic results from northern Greece that I have seen, they are closer to Serbs than to Cretans.

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    Southern Europe on maps:





    Southern Europe as defined by the UN.

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    Genetically, with the exception of Croatia and Bosnia, all are closer to Greece and central Italy

    Is that what you mean closer? If not, make it more clear
    Quote Originally Posted by -Scar- View Post
    Even Greeks from western coastal Turkey?
    No. Inner anatolians who make up half of anatolian population

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Scar- View Post
    Even Greeks from western coastal Turkey?
    Except those from Smyrna maybe. But I’m not sure.

    A significant number of Anatolian Greeks came from western Turkey. But they still had a similar culture with Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    Close by which definition?

    Anatolian Greeks (Greeks from Turkey) make around 30% of Greece’s population. They are similar to Turks, Armenians etc. But other Greeks are not close to West Asia.
    No they are not^

    In case you are talking about Asia Minor Greeks from West and North West Anatolia Ionia,Bythinia,Constantinople,Bursa they are pretty much same with
    to Aegean Island Greeks and for that matter to Cretans also pretty close.

    This you can see also easily in any of the genetic studies conducted like Sarno and the others if care reading them at all .
    Anatolian Greeks are also sampled there
    separately from native Mainlanders and they cluster with other Greek populations and South Italian ones as do the other Greeks.
    Predominantly with Greeks from the Aegean Island and after that at second placee even with Mainland Greeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    Close by which definition?

    Anatolian Greeks (Greeks from Turkey) make around 30% of Greece’s population. They are similar to Turks, Armenians etc. But other Greeks are not close to West Asia.

    For example we Cretans are close only to Sephardic Jews. That’s the only Middle Eastern population that we cluster with. And Sephardic Jews are significantly southern European.
    Geographically close i mean. Which usually means some historical cultural connections as well.

    But modern Greeks are not very "West Asian", like you pointed out. I personally don't know much about this thing, but it seems like they had more connections to West Asia back then.

    https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...ature23310.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    Genetically, with the exception of Croatia and Bosnia, all are closer to Greece and central Italy

    Is that what you mean closer? If not, make it more clear


    No. Inner anatolians who make up half of anatolian population
    Excluding Cappadocian Greeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    From the genetic results from northern Greece that I have seen, they are closer to Serbs than to Cretans.
    What genetic results?

    Apricity results posted by Dr Sikeliot ?

    Serbs don't cluster with any Greek population

    The only South Slavs that cluster with North Greeks and can be closer to them then Sicilians or Cretans are,are Bulgarians
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    OK now I read your first post

    Since you are asking about Greeks it depends on which Greeks you are talking about

    All Greece has 3 different sources of influence, with different proportions of each of them: southwest Europe, Balkans and near east (byzantine and oriental)

    Southern half of mainland is closer to Mediterranean Europe, but with Balkan and minor "oriental" influence

    The same goes for the islands, with a little more southwest influence

    Northern half is closer to Balkans, with significant oriental impact but nearly zero southwest influence

    Inner Anatolians are associated with orient, meanwhile western Anatolians are associated with southwestern Europe

    As for Balkans, I would say central Europe in general, but when northern Greece exclusively considered, I think closer to South Europe

    Maybe southern Balkans are closer to South Europe

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