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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    North Italians are mostly Gallicized Ligurians, Raetians and ancient Venetic.

    Only Aosta Valley might have been truly Gaulish.

    What are Halstatt Celt K15 results?
    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 54.26
    2 West_Med 23.98
    3 Baltic 17.97
    4 East_Med 3.77
    5 Red_Sea 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southwest_English 10.13
    2 Southeast_English 11.5
    3 West_Scottish 12.79
    4 Orcadian 12.9
    5 French 13.29
    6 Irish 13.35
    7 South_Dutch 13.4
    8 Southwest_French 13.43
    9 Spanish_Cantabria 14.57
    10 Spanish_Cataluna 15.13
    11 French_Basque 15.13
    12 North_Dutch 15.21
    13 West_German 15.23
    14 Spanish_Aragon 15.5
    15 Danish 15.78
    16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16
    17 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 16.59
    18 Norwegian 16.91
    19 Spanish_Valencia 17.07
    20 Spanish_Galicia 17.09

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 52.9% French_Basque + 47.1% Norwegian @ 3.69

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 43.76
    2 North_Sea 26.72
    3 West_Med 17.36
    4 Baltic 12.12
    5 Red_Sea 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 French_Basque 13.2
    2 Southwest_French 14.75
    3 Spanish_Aragon 15.79
    4 Spanish_Cantabria 15.93
    5 Spanish_Cataluna 16.84
    6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.92
    7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 17.16
    8 Spanish_Valencia 17.28
    9 Southwest_English 17.52
    10 Southeast_English 18.02
    11 French 18.14
    12 South_Dutch 18.35
    13 Irish 18.42
    14 Spanish_Murcia 18.59
    15 West_Scottish 19.28
    16 Spanish_Andalucia 19.41
    17 Spanish_Extremadura 19.55
    18 Portuguese 19.66
    19 Spanish_Galicia 20.07
    20 North_German 20.6

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 60.9% French_Basque + 39.1% Irish @ 7.61

    84141 SNPs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aren View Post
    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 54.26
    2 West_Med 23.98
    3 Baltic 17.97
    4 East_Med 3.77
    5 Red_Sea 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southwest_English 10.13
    2 Southeast_English 11.5
    3 West_Scottish 12.79
    4 Orcadian 12.9
    5 French 13.29
    6 Irish 13.35
    7 South_Dutch 13.4
    8 Southwest_French 13.43
    9 Spanish_Cantabria 14.57
    10 Spanish_Cataluna 15.13
    11 French_Basque 15.13
    12 North_Dutch 15.21
    13 West_German 15.23
    14 Spanish_Aragon 15.5
    15 Danish 15.78
    16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16
    17 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 16.59
    18 Norwegian 16.91
    19 Spanish_Valencia 17.07
    20 Spanish_Galicia 17.09

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 52.9% French_Basque + 47.1% Norwegian @ 3.69

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 43.76
    2 North_Sea 26.72
    3 West_Med 17.36
    4 Baltic 12.12
    5 Red_Sea 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 French_Basque 13.2
    2 Southwest_French 14.75
    3 Spanish_Aragon 15.79
    4 Spanish_Cantabria 15.93
    5 Spanish_Cataluna 16.84
    6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.92
    7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 17.16
    8 Spanish_Valencia 17.28
    9 Southwest_English 17.52
    10 Southeast_English 18.02
    11 French 18.14
    12 South_Dutch 18.35
    13 Irish 18.42
    14 Spanish_Murcia 18.59
    15 West_Scottish 19.28
    16 Spanish_Andalucia 19.41
    17 Spanish_Extremadura 19.55
    18 Portuguese 19.66
    19 Spanish_Galicia 20.07
    20 North_German 20.6

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 60.9% French_Basque + 39.1% Irish @ 7.61

    84141 SNPs

    Very western, almost at the edge of the plot.

    If representative there's no way Southern Germans are a mix of Germanics and Central Euro Celts..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    Very western, almost at the edge of the plot.

    If representative there's no way Southern Germans are a mix of Germanics and Central Euro Celts..
    Gedmatch especially with these modern based calculators isn't the best to figure out what ancient samples were like.

    nMonte shows them somewhat similar to modern day Frenchmen but more Anatolian and WHG shifted and slightly less Steppe

    "distance%=3.3391"

    Hallstatt_Bylany: DA111

    Beaker_The_Netherlands,54.6
    Globular_Amphora,38.4
    Anatolia_BA,7

    "distance%=1.3216"

    French_East

    Beaker_The_Netherlands,64.6
    Baden_LCA,21.8
    Anatolia_BA,7.2
    Globular_Amphora,6.4

    Globular Amphora and Baden are late Copper Age/Early Bronze age farmer cultures in central Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aren View Post
    Gedmatch especially with these modern based calculators isn't the best to figure out what ancient samples were like.

    nMonte shows them somewhat similar to modern day Frenchmen but more Anatolian and WHG shifted and slightly less Steppe

    "distance%=3.3391"

    Hallstatt_Bylany: DA111

    Beaker_The_Netherlands,54.6
    Globular_Amphora,38.4
    Anatolia_BA,7

    "distance%=1.3216"

    French_East

    Beaker_The_Netherlands,64.6
    Baden_LCA,21.8
    Anatolia_BA,7.2
    Globular_Amphora,6.4

    Globular Amphora and Baden are late Copper Age/Early Bronze age farmer cultures in central Europe.

    First of all at the end of Roman rule, no one should expect pure Celts in southern Germany. They were more or less latinized, also genetically. I'm sure anybody was like this Hallstatt sample, but if they were like modern North Italians? Ok we need more samples to decide...
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    I think those German medieval band is good example how people buried in Alemanni graves looked like We have Nords and Italian-like phenotypes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    Then why does Bronze Age sample from Southern Germany RISE471 plot with the French?

    What is your point? There is a long way from the Bronze Age to the early Medieval period. Don't let yourself be confused by the excessive focus that scholars give to the Bronze Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    North Italians are mostly Gallicized Ligurians, Raetians and ancient Venetic.

    Only Aosta Valley might have been truly Gaulish.

    What are Halstatt Celt K15 results?
    I doubt it, North Italy was one of the Celtic cores since Urnfield.

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    Are you kidding me? The dude blocked out the kit of Grave 3c because it "didn't belong to him". Its a fucking ancient sample!!! What a ball buster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aren View Post
    I'm surprised Europeans aren't more interested in medieval and Roman era aDNA. Instead everyone circle-jerks to the PIE homeland. We have aDNA from every corner of Siberia, from any historical period yet barely any ancient samples from France or Italy.
    This so much. Its ridiculous how little attention is given to the Med.

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