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Thread: Peloponnesian Greek GEDMatch results -- they are not like south Italians and Aegean islands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeroostah View Post
    Interesting

    This shows how much unrelated we are with the spaghetti people

    Here some personal results for the sake of our Northmen ancestors

    1 73.4% Central_Greek + 26.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.45
    2 74.3% Central_Greek + 25.7% Ukrainian @ 2.46
    3 64.5% Central_Greek + 35.5% Moldavian @ 2.48
    4 79.7% Central_Greek + 20.3% Lithuanian @ 2.48
    5 77.1% Central_Greek + 22.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.49
    6 77.4% Central_Greek + 22.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.52
    7 68.1% Central_Greek + 31.9% Croatian @ 2.58
    8 76.3% Central_Greek + 23.7% Polish @ 2.63

    I thought I remembered you being West plotting kind of like a Tuscan. Maybe I was remembering incorrectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Of course they're related to Italians and Aegean islanders but they are different too. Related doesn't mean identical!
    They are clearly closer to Aegean Islanders and South Italians than to generic Balkan people.

    Or are there any Non Greek Balkanites who get Central Greek,Abruzzo and so much Siclian and Jewish in their top 10
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    I suppose there are not
    The only exception might be some Albanians
    But i would guess even Albanian results would be a bit more Northern shifted in the sense they would get more North Italian than Sicilian and so on..

    And you can't always emphasize the difference between Mainland Greeks like these and Sicilians and Aegeans without
    emphasizing the difference these Mainland Greeks have to Non Greek Balkanites as well

    Thats not fair and not objetive at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    They are clearly closer to Aegean Islanders and South Italians than to generic Balkan people.

    Or are there any Non Greek Balkanites who get Central Greek,Abruzzo and so much Siclian and Jewish in their top 10
    ?

    I suppose there are not
    The only exception might be some Albanians
    But i would guess even Albanian results would be a bit more Northern shifted in the sense they would get more North Italian than Sicilian and so on..

    And you can't always emphasize the difference between Mainland Greeks like these and Sicilians and Aegeans without
    emphasizing the difference these Mainland Greeks have to Non Greek Balkanites as well

    Thats not fair and not objetive at all
    I never said they were identical to Balkan Slavs, you on the other hand have said they are identical to Aegean islanders and Sicilians. That is the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I never said they were identical to Balkan Slavs, you on the other hand have said they are identical to Aegean islanders and Sicilians. That is the difference.
    No i didn't say they are identical i said they are closer to them then to arbitrary Balkan people which should be like that since Aegean Islanders and them
    they are both Greek people and have common shared history,language ,you try to present them like people from different planets .

    Second thing i said is that there are some of the Peloponnesians who have Slavic admixture for example in Messinia or Arcadia about 8-10% but their Non Slavic part of
    Ancestry is most similar to that of Sicilians as concluded in the Stamatoyannopoulos paper
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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    Second thing i said is that there are some of the Peloponnesians who have Slavic admixture for example in Messinia or Arcadia about 8-10% but their Non Slavic part of
    Ancestry is most similar to that of Sicilians as concluded in the Stamoyannopoulos paper
    The only Peloponnesians with no Slavic input are Tsakonians and a small subset of Maniots. And they still have more NE European than Sicily and most Cretans (the closest people to these Maniots would be Cyclades islanders).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    The only Peloponnesians with no Slavic input are Tsakonians and a small subset of Maniots. And they still have more NE European than Sicily and most Cretans (the closest people to these Maniots would be Cyclades islanders).
    I thought i was clear i didn't talked about Tsakonians and Maniots neither about Cretans

    I talked about groups among the rest of Peloponnesians who have Slavic shared ancestry like 8 or 10% on average but the Non Slavic part of their
    DNA resembles that of Sicilians and other Italians what is so difficult to understand about that.

    Also what you said about Maniots is not true its not a small subrgroup of Maniots but all real or full Maniots have almost no shared
    ancestry with Slavs,when we say Maniots we mean people from Deep Mani"Inner Mani" not general Laconians of course today alot of Maniots
    are mixed with other Laconians as well but full natives from Mani are genetically an entirely different population from anything Slavic
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    On one calculator I was modeled as 80% South Italian and 20% Polish which is pretty typical for a Peloponnesian Greek. Genetically Peloponnesians maybe closest to Molise or a Central Italian population because of the stronger West but collaterally weaker NE pull. I agree Central Italian's northern shift is different from the Peloponnesians NE shift but the composite results are pretty close.
    Punt DNAL K15 Single Pop Sharing Tuscan 2.07
    Mixed Mode Pop Sharing: 65.1% Tuscan+34.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.41
    Eurogenes K 13 Single Pop Sharing Greek Thessaly 3.72
    Mixed Mode Pop Sharing 69.5% South_Italian+30.5% Hungarian @ 2.56
    MDLP K 16 Single Pop Sharing Greek (Greece) 3.62
    Mixed Mode Pop Sharing: 58.3% Greek (Macedonia)+41.7% Italian (Bergamo)@ 2.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    I talked about groups among the rest of Peloponnesians who have Slavic shared ancestry like 8 or 10% on average but the Non Slavic part of their
    DNA resembles that of Sicilians and other Italians what is so difficult to understand about that.
    They are still missing the heavier Levantine ancestry and SW Asian/North African.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    They are still missing the heavier Levantine ancestry and SW Asian/North African.


    There Non Slavic part of ancestry resembles that of Sicilians to a large extend.

    And for that matter Aegean Islanders as well

    Whats difficult understand?
    The Talmud tells us that the only language the Torah could be translated into elegantly is Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post


    There Non Slavic part of ancestry resembles that of Sicilians to a large extend.

    And for that matter Aegean Islanders as well

    Whats difficult understand?


    What is it YOU are not understanding -- even if you remove all the Slavic from Peloponnesians there will still not be Levantine ancestry to the same extent as in Sicily or Crete.

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