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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    I have been to the Netherlands, many times. The place where I was born, is not too far from the Belgian - Dutch border. This is just to let you know, I have been going to the Netherlands since a pretty young age. Yes, I have been to England and have family in Newcastle upon Tyne. I am quite familiar with British and Dutch people. Nevertheless, my statement are not based on my personal opinion, because that would be bias. This is why I rely more on proper studies done on pigmentation of various European populations. Also the Dutch who are as a whole blonder - haired than Belgians, French, etc... are still not as blond as Scandinavians.
    If you have been to both you will know and would of seen that Dutch and Scandinavians are Blonder than English!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Dutch males pigmentation average

    Hair color
    1.9% (red/reddish)
    22.1% (blond)
    50.1% ( dark blond or light brown)
    25% ( dark brown or black)
    0.1% ( unknown)

    By this study alone, it shows that the English as I already knew are comparable to other Northern European populations and not the garbage that some were spewing. Comparing the English or even Irish who would most likely be darker - haired and more red - haired than the English to Iberians was foolishness.
    My numbers for hair pigmentation in English Rugby Union Internationals since 1990 (my own judgment):

    Light Hair: 74/230 - 32.17%
    Blond Hair: 50/230 - 21.73%
    Red Hair: 7/230 - 3.04%
    Medium Hair: 89/230 - 38.69%
    Dark Hair: 67/230 - 29.13%

    Combined with Football and Cricket Internationals:

    Light Hair: 222/749 - 29.63%
    Blond Hair: 152/749 - 20.29%
    Red Hair: 32/749 - 4.27%
    Medium Hair: 329/749 - 43.92%
    Dark Hair: 198/749 - 26.43%

    However I don't think the Rugby players are that representative for a number of reasons, so take the previous totals I posted as more accurate for now.

    Light Hair: 148/519 = 28.51%
    Blond Hair: 102/519 = 19.65%
    Red Hair: 25/519 = 4.81%
    Medium Hair: 240/519 = 46.24%
    Dark Hair: 131/519 = 25.24%
    Last edited by Creoda; 01-21-2021 at 02:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norb View Post
    If you have been to both you will know and would of seen that Dutch and Scandinavians are Blonder than English!
    I have been with both. It is without a doubt that the Scandinavians are the blondest. Nevertheless, with the Dutch, it would depend on the region, the same with the English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Combined with Football and Cricket Internationals:

    Light Hair: 222/749 - 29.63%
    Blond Hair: 152/749 - 20.29%
    Red Hair: 32/749 - 4.27%
    Medium Hair: 329/749 - 43.92%
    Dark Hair: 198/749 - 26.43%

    However I don't think the Rugby players are that representative for a number of reasons, so take the previous totals I posted as more accurate for now.

    Light Hair: 148/519 = 28.51%
    Blond Hair: 102/519 = 19.65%
    Red Hair: 25/519 = 4.81%
    Medium Hair: 240/519 = 46.24%
    Dark Hair: 131/519 = 25.24%
    Was reading an old post on the forum with old anthropological numbers for England, and with some interpretation, my figures for hair fit pretty well:
    English: The majority of English are mixed or ''medium'' brown haired. The dark brown haired population is less than in Scotland, except for certain regions, including most notably Cornwall and Hertfordshire. A plausible estimate of England's ''medium'' brown haired population is around 50%. In sharp contrast blondes or those with fair hair are known to be only 25% of the population as a whole, but are a higher population on the North Sea coast in historic Anglo-Saxon and Norse strongholds. Coon has noted that blondes are only a fraction more in number than true brunettes, or those with dark hair. Those with dark hair, lower than in Scotland, fall around 20 - 22% according to Beddoe (far higher in certain regions). Red hair runs from around 3%, while black 1%. Of eye colour the majority of English are ''light-mixed'' eyed (45%) not true blue at around 20% ''mixed'' (hazel) eyed, while the minority dark brown. Blue eyes appear to be in a higher number than Scotland, but still they are the minority at about 20%. However different regions massively differ and because of limited available anthropological survey results, estimates cannot be accurate on percentages as a whole but only be loosely estimated.

    England:

    Medium brown haired: 50%
    Blonde haired: 25%
    Dark brown haired: 20 - 22%
    Red hair: 3%
    Black hair: 1%
    My numbers for Blond + Golden Brown basically add up to the 25% Blond stated here, and my light hair figures of c.28% is the same as their blond+red. My dark brown hair numbers are higher than stated here, but tbh I've found separating medium from dark brown difficult, it's very arbitrary. I wrote earlier that I had black hair at 4% but looking back at the notes, I had most of them marked as dark brunet/black, I counted them as black if they were so dark I couldn't tell. My red hair figure is 1% or so higher, but I think 4% is more correct personally.

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    Dutch females pigmentation:
    Hair color
    3.3% (red/reddish)
    19.7% (blonde)
    50.2% (dark blonde/light brown)
    26% (dark brown/black)

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    Australian women (mainly of English ancestry, but as well as Irish)
    Hair colour
    6% (red)
    46% (blonde or mousy)
    32% (light brown)
    16% (dark brown or black)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Übermensch View Post
    We all know british people have higher incidence of dark hair in comparison to Scandinavian or baltic people, but very few have dark eyes in the british isles (from almost black to chocolate brown), the standard iris colour is a spotted blue, basicaly a blue eye with green/yellow and brown admixture, then the second common is a deep dark and pure blue, then hazel (green-brown mix) that can look dark at times, but eyes are rarely fully brown.
    According to hooton pure dark eyes account for around 0,5% of irish population, while dark hair was far more common (around 3% proper black,40% dark brown), most of irish have blue or very light green eyes and dark hair, when i was in Ireland i rarely saw people with dark eyes.

    40% of irish have pure blue eyes
    4% have grey eyes
    43% blue/green/gray hazel/blue eyes
    11% green/brown or olive green eyes
    0,5% brown
    This isn't entirely correct, you have to read the Hooton study more carefully and do some math yourself to extract the numbers which I did. Irish eye colour:

    Pure brown 0,5%
    All Mixed eyes 52,3%
    Grey and grey-blue 4,4%
    Blue 42,4%

    Out of “mixed” eyes

    3,2% very pronouncedly dark (or 1,67% of total)
    7,2% pronouncedly dark (3,76% of total)
    12,4% mixed equally (6,48% of total)
    17,9% pronouncedly light mixed (9,36% of total)
    59,3% very pronouncedly light (31,01% of total)

    77,2% of mixed eyes are light mixed or 40,37% of total giving a total of 87,7% light and mostly light mixed eyes.

    59,3% of mixed eyes are very pronouncedly light giving a total of 77,8% light and light mixed eyes.

    So overall a total of 87,7% eyes are light and mostly light mixed (where the light part of the iris is greater than the dark part). However only 77,8% of eyes are light if you count only "very pronouncedly light" mixed eyes (where the light part of the iris is much bigger than the dark part).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Australian women (mainly of English ancestry, but as well as Irish)
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    6% (red)
    46% (blonde or mousy)
    32% (light brown)
    16% (dark brown or black)
    Is that an official study? Don't know why blond and mousy are put together, mousy is a synonym for medium brown hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Is that an official study? Don't know why blond and mousy are put together, mousy is a synonym for medium brown hair.
    Mousy is the color between blond and brown. A dull pale brown with a grayish undertone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Übermensch View Post
    We all know british people have higher incidence of dark hair in comparison to Scandinavian or baltic people, but very few have dark eyes in the british isles (from almost black to chocolate brown), the standard iris colour is a spotted blue, basicaly a blue eye with green/yellow and brown admixture, then the second common is a deep dark and pure blue, then hazel (green-brown mix) that can look dark at times, but eyes are rarely fully brown.
    According to hooton pure dark eyes account for around 0,5% of irish population, while dark hair was far more common (around 3% proper black,40% dark brown), most of irish have blue or very light green eyes and dark hair, when i was in Ireland i rarely saw people with dark eyes.

    40% of irish have pure blue eyes
    4% have grey eyes
    43% blue/green/gray hazel/blue eyes
    11% green/brown or olive green eyes
    0,5% brown

    in terms of hair colour:

    3% black
    40% dark brown
    33% medium to light brown hair
    15% blond
    9% red

    Irish have an excess of rufosity...
    We have also to remember the British Islanders are not equally blond, nor brunet, nor redhead. The blondest are English, with the highest incidence in the historical “Danelaw” area, added to them the eastern coastal Scots and Scottish Islanders. The highest incidence of brown hair is in the Celtic fringe especially in Ireland, West Scotland, Wales, Cornwall. The highest incidence of black hair is in Wales and South - West England ( especially Cornwall). The highest frequency of blue eyes is Ireland, Scotland, Central England and Yorkshires. The highest incidence of gray eyes is in Scotland and northern England. Highest incidence of brown eyes is in South - West England, Eastern England and South - East England. The highest incidence of ginger hair is in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Yorkshires.

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