Anglos mixed with blacks in their colonies more than Iberians did

[Adamastor]

USA isn't really similar to Latin American countries in this regard. Most people here aren't mixed race with the exception of Hispanics who are for the most part relatively recent arrivals (last 50 years) from Mexico and Central America and who are just considered by the average person to be a race of their own anyway.

You may not be biologically mulattoes, but you guys are certainly spiritual mulattoes. Even more than Latin Americans I believe. One of the countries with more identity issues and anxieties in the whole world.

[Smeagol]

You may not be biologically mulattoes, but you guys are certainly spiritual mulattoes. Even more than Latin Americans I believe. One of the countries with more identity issues and anxieties in the whole world.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but if there are any identity issues/anxieties in the US, I think they must exclusively be found in Northerners.

[Black Panther]

I think he's a scumbag, yeah, but I can see the point behind the whitening project. Creating a more homogeneous nation in which the wounds of slavery had been forgotten would be the salvation for Brazil. The only way to erase slavery from our history would be if the former black slaves had been ''erased'' from our present so we could heal our wounds. And the most ''humane'' way of erasing blacks was bleaching them.

You cannot create a stable nation with millions of people carrying the wounds of slavery.

I don't that's humane at all. The most humane thing to do would have been to secede the countries and let each major racial group form its own History. "Bleaching" or doing state sponsored killings of Black people (something that's becoming more common as of 2019, btw) are both forms of genocide. I mean, Europeans are always complaining about how bringing Africans and Muslims and mixing with them is a form of White genocide. Don't think that we see it any other way when it was or is being done to us.

[Black Panther]

Im not supporting it, Im saying it will be reversed.

You were lamenting that it was being reversed. You were clearly seeing the Whitening policies as positive in your post. That's absolutely inexcusable and you are not very different from Hitler or Genghis Khan with that mindset.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

You were lamenting that it was being reversed. You were clearly seeing the Whitening policies as positive in your post. That's absolutely inexcusable and you are not very different from Hitler or Genghis Khan with that mindset.

No, that post does not have my opinion if it was right or wrong, it only has a explanation of what was the branquemento and the future impact in brazilian society.

[Adamastor]

I don't that's humane at all. The most humane thing to do would have been to secede the countries and let each major racial group form its own History. "Bleaching" or doing state sponsored killings of Black people (something that's becoming more common as of 2019, btw) are both forms of genocide. I mean, Europeans are always complaining about how bringing Africans and Muslims and mixing with them is a form of White genocide. Don't think that we see it any other way when it was or is being done to us.

That's unrealistic. When you belong to an elite that conquered a territory through fire and steel. You need to do something with the remains of the slaves, you cannot kill them all, you cannot let them go back to where they were from... Turning them the same thing as you is the most humane thing one could think of.

I think the ideal thing would be if blacks were never brought to Brazil and the slave trade never happened. But the world isn't ideal and we need to create a nation that is relatively stable. I think the Atlantic slave trade was one of the biggest disasters in human history.

[Black Panther]

No, that post does not have my opinion if it was right or wrong, it only has a explanation of what was the branquemento and the future impact in brazilian society.

Aham...

No, whitening is Brazilian XIX century policy that atracted 6 milion europeans and made of it 100 milion white brazilians(85% euro on average) and 84 milion pardo brazilians(65% euro on average).

We can say it pretty much worked because it multiplied the number of european looking people in Brazil and at the same time it drastically reduced the number of african looking people. Other consequences: it also created a big pardo population that are people that stopped in the middle of the whitening process. More 3 milion euro immigrants would have made them euro looking, but some politicians of the time were against it and fucked everything with anti european immigration measures. Today, everything will be lost since white brazilians have only 1.4 kids per women and blacks have 2.9 kids.

So by reducing European immigration, they were "fucking everything" up? By having continued to genocide Afro-Brazilians and African admixed Brazilians, they would have done what? The right thing, according to you?
And "everything will be lost"? So you believe there was something to gain from it? Well, obviously a racist anti-Black person would think like that.
Sorry, but I am not low-IQ like Lisarb/luc2112.

[Black Panther]

That's unrealistic. When you belong to an elite that conquered a territory through fire and steel. You need to do something with the remains of the slaves, you cannot kill them all, you cannot let them go back to where they were from... Turning them the same thing as you is the most humane thing one could think of.

I think the ideal thing would be if blacks were never brought to Brazil and the slave trade never happened. But the world isn't ideal and we need to create a nation that is relatively stable. I think the Atlantic slave trade was one of the biggest disasters in human history.

It would be hard to accomplish it, but it would not be unrealistic. Back in those days, the population of Brazil was a fraction of what it is today but the country was just as large. Maybe moving a couple of millions of people would be necessary, but it would be doable. It would certainly be easier to do than importing millions of immigrants.

[Adamastor]

It would be hard to accomplish it, but it would not be unrealistic. Back in those days, the population of Brazil was a fraction of what it is today but the country was just as large. Maybe moving a couple of millions of people would be necessary, but it would be doable. It would certainly be easier to do than importing millions of immigrants.

Unrealistic in the sense that the people in charge of the country would never allow that to happen. Simply impossible. Even geopolitically would be suicide.

[Zroota]

Not sure about Iberians/Anglos mixing with blacks, but this topic reminds me of an argument between mothers in my school a few decades ago, when we had an influx of Sudanese immigrants in Sydney. One mum was saying in an excited manner, "we are starting to look like the US with all the new African arrivals here". Another mother disagreed passionately, where she replied "nah man, the Africans migrating here are very dark blacks and look nothing like African Americans". My mum agreed with her as well.

I also do think that African Americans are not that dark and generally don't look like 'pure' Africans (i.e. Akon and Lupita Nyong'o). Sure, you can say the light skinned ones are more prevalent in the media and that the darker skinned ones are not represented as much. But I don't know...

By the way, outside of this forum, on City-Data, there was a mega thread about African Americans "looking different from Africans". It's worth checking out:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/world...-africans.html