Why do people separate Germanic and Celtic peoples if they are almost identical genetically?

[Grace O'Malley]

Am I genetically a Celt? Here's my MDLP K11 top match, which just so happens to be my closest single population distance on any calculator:

1 British_Celtic @ 2.125953

I assume that refers to an ancient British Celtic sample but so far have been unsuccessful in determining what that sample specifically is.

I'd bet the British_Celtic is Hinxton 4.

This is mine.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 37.02
2 Neolithic 32.23
3 EHG 26.22
4 Iran-Mesolithic 2.18
5 Basal 2.12


Finished reading population data. 161 populations found.
11 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Alberstedt_LN @ 2.487326
2 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 3.205556
3 British_Celtic @ 3.794430
4 Halberstadt_LBA @ 4.586404
5 Bell_Beaker_Czech @ 6.223355
6 British_IronAge @ 6.362268
7 Nordic_MN_B @ 6.961689
8 Nordic_LN @ 7.466972
9 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN @ 7.565519
10 British_AngloSaxon @ 7.758093
11 Unetice_EBA @ 8.650674
12 Nordic_BA @ 9.392256
13 Nordic_BattleAxe @ 10.097156
14 Nordic_IA @ 10.577952
15 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland @ 10.964458
16 Bell_Beaker @ 10.968666
17 Nordic_LBA @ 11.416088
18 Irish_BA @ 12.063597
19 Corded_Ware_Estonia @ 13.719956
20 Unetice_MBA @ 14.017468

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Corded_Ware_Germany +50% Vatya_MBA @ 2.440823


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Corded_Ware_Germany +25% Hungary_CA +25% Unetice_EBA @ 1.443180

I also get a Unetice sample as my top match with the other ancient calculator.

[Gwydion]

I'd bet the British_Celtic is Hinxton 4.

What makes you think so? I've been trying to figure out which sample that referred but no matter where I've searched I've been unable to uncover anything.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Alberstedt_LN @ 2.487326
2 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 3.205556
3 British_Celtic @ 3.794430
4 Halberstadt_LBA @ 4.586404


I also get a Unetice sample as my top match with the other ancient calculator.

My other top four are also similar to yours:

2 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 3.177464
3 Alberstedt_LN @ 3.245840
4 Halberstadt_LBA @ 5.227808

Combining it with this from Eurogenes K15: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

My two closest are 200 AD - Gladiator - 6DRIF18 at 86 and 1,900? BC - Czeck (Unet.) - Rise577 at 85.

[Grace O'Malley]

What makes you think so? I've been trying to figure out which sample that referred but no matter where I've searched I've been unable to uncover anything.




My other top four are also similar to yours:

2 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 3.177464
3 Alberstedt_LN @ 3.245840
4 Halberstadt_LBA @ 5.227808

Combining it with this from Eurogenes K15: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

My two closest are 200 AD - Gladiator - 6DRIF18 at 86 and 1,900? BC - Czeck (Unet.) - Rise577 at 85.

Because that is the only ancient genome that they have that is called Celtic and is high coverage. It really has to be Hinxton 4.

That calculator was done before they had all the Gladiator results and British Bell Beakers.

[Grace O'Malley]

What makes you think so? I've been trying to figure out which sample that referred but no matter where I've searched I've been unable to uncover anything.




My other top four are also similar to yours:

2 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 3.177464
3 Alberstedt_LN @ 3.245840
4 Halberstadt_LBA @ 5.227808

Combining it with this from Eurogenes K15: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

My two closest are 200 AD - Gladiator - 6DRIF18 at 86 and 1,900? BC - Czeck (Unet.) - Rise577 at 85.

Have you tried this one? It has the Gladiators and more ancient samples? You just put in your K36 results and the highest number is the greatest match.

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

I see you've already done this. My highest matches are
91 1,789 BC - Poland - Rise150
83 2,000 BC - Ireland - Rathlin 1
82 1,900? BC - Czeck (Unet) - 10047

[Gwydion]

Have you tried this one? It has the Gladiators and more ancient samples? You just put in your K36 results and the highest number is the greatest match.

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

I see you've already done this. My highest matches are
91 1,789 BC - Poland - Rise150
83 2,000 BC - Ireland - Rathlin 1
82 1,900? BC - Czeck (Unet) - 10047

Yes but it appears I typed in one of my values erroneously. The results are still largely the same but fixing my error my tops are:

200 AD - Gladiator - 6DRIF18 88
200 AD - Gladiator - 3DRIF16 86
1,900? BC - Czeck (Unet.) - Rise577 86

[Creoda]

Am I genetically a Celt? Here's my MDLP K11 top match, which just so happens to be my closest single population distance on any calculator:

1 British_Celtic @ 2.125953

I assume that refers to an ancient British Celtic sample but so far have been unsuccessful in determining what that sample specifically is.

Where do you place on LukaszM's k36 PCA and/or Davidski's Northern Europe PCA?

[Westbrook]

The most British people in England are found in Yorkshire (41.17% Anglo Saxon)

Yeaaaa buddy

[Norb]

'The most British people in England are found in Yorkshire (41.17% Anglo Saxon)' that doesn't make any sense

[♥ Lily ♥]

Average person in UK:

36.94% British (Anglo Saxon)
21.59% Irish (Celtic)
19.91% Western European (France/Germany)

Nah... you forgot the Welsh, Northern Irish, Manx, Cornish, and Scottish. (The UK/British Isles doesn't only consist of English people.)

The most British people in England are found in Yorkshire (41.17% Anglo Saxon)

So the ancient iron-age native Britons with ancient pre-Germanic genes aren't British?! Only Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danish and Norwegian Vikings and Norman conqueror immigrants to Great Britain can be British?





The Normans ('North Man') in England (who took over the aristocracy and ruling elite via the south of England following the Norman Conquest of England,) stemmed from Viking settlers in Normandy, France. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Norman-people

The average English person looks more similar to the average Welsh, Manx, Scottish, or Irish person... than to the average French or German person.

[Septentrion]

French people aren't NW Euros. They're Mediterranean, Romance people with some NW Euro admixture, just like Sicilians.

Stop spewing garbage!!!!!The French are mainly a Western and Central Europe people like the Dutch and Germans!!! They do however more Southern European admixture but are not as Mediterranean as Spaniards, Sicilians or Sardinians. That's an outright lie. If you don't know anything, it's better to stay quiet and learn.