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    We would be just fine if the average Portuguese was earning 30416 USD a year (about 26000€). The reality is quite different.
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    Dutch have a friendship with Germany, an awareness of kinship. It never truly faded. That sentiment is far weaker among us Flemish however, due to our proximity to the French-speaking world. Also the stigma of collaboration during both World Wars played a role, even if the majority didn't even took a stance here (and during WWII most Flemish were actually overwhelmingly anti-German and being too friendly with the occupier would have lost you your reputation for life).

    It's just a tool used by Francophile Belgian nationalists of the old generation to stigmatise us regardless, by putting the blame of collaboration almost exclusively in the shoes of Flemish people. A tool of a generation of the past though, nowadays it only exists among old generations (as one political forum I frequent where I still see such mentality, but not when speaking with people of Generation Y or Z).

    But yes, if left unchecked by politics, more Flemish would probably feel more kinship to German than to French too. But of course, for any European stance, German, Dutch, Flemish or whatever Germanic culture, the French culture remains interesting and it remains our neighbouring culture with which we need to maintain relations. That constant will never change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Very interesting. And just look at Ukraine... if they didn't have that Maidan revolution, they would have been much more prosperous. Really sad how American imperialist politics can screw up countries.

    Central European countries are doing a good job in catching up with Southern Europe. One day they will overtake it.

    The Baltics are also doing worse than they potentially could have, and I suspect a great part of that is also because they shun business cooperation with their big eastern neighbour.
    Economically the fall of Soviet Union hit Russia, Ukraine and company a lot. Hundreds of billions disappeared from the nations especially later during the Zionist oligarch years (1990-2000).
    Plus the poorly thought out color revolution/maiden and Ukraine is doing even worse. While Russia has the sanctions but they are more self-sustaining.

    At one point id guess Ukraine had a higher economy than Poland during USSR days.
    Which brings me to another point. Ukraine was probably split in WW2 but they had the second biggest contribution to USSR after Russia. Why just ignore that.
    You can look down on Holodomar while acknowledging the nation played a role in getting rid of Nazis cant it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    We would be just fine if the average Portuguese was earning 30416 USD a year (about 26000€). The reality is quite different.
    Too much inequality and bureaucracy? Because it is the same reality here. Around 70% of Swedes make less than 51 thousand dollars per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielion View Post
    Here one about HDI compared to the poorest US state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Interesting how Spain has slightly overtaken Italy. And like someone else said, I am surprised Ireland is that high, especially with its high unemployment rate and the fact that some rural parts of the country are quite deprived.
    In general the South European countries had problems. With the expansion of EU, Italy are contributors for the poorer EU nations so their infrastucture might suffer (Germany, France, UK lead contributors).
    You also had this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIGS_(economics)

    PIGS is an acronym used in economics and finance. The PIGS acronym originally refers, often derogatorily, to the economies of the Southern European countries of Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain.[1][2][3][4][5] During the European debt crisis, PIGS or the variant PIIGS were also increasingly used to refer to the economies of Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, and Spain, EU member states that were unable to refinance their government debt or to bail out over-indebted banks on their own during the crisis (yep the English newspapers used the term).

    And this is interesting:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._external_debt
    Countries like Belgium, Switzerland, UK, Netherlands, Ireland, have more % of gdp debt than the South Europeans (Dont even know how Luxembourg functions with its massive debt).

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    GDP per capita is usually not the whole story when it comes to standards of living, etc.

    For example Equatorial Guinea has higher GDP per capita than many European countries.

    But an average Equatorial Guinean citizen is not living very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    We would be just fine if the average Portuguese was earning 30416 USD a year (about 26000€). The reality is quite different.

    Agree .... the variations should be shown as well.

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    It is not that easy. GDP PPP per capita gives basic information about a country's economy. It correlates with "how rich a country is" quite well.
    On the other hand eg information about average wage is impossible to regard without information about cost of living.

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