``Laws´´: 1/8 or One drop rule?

[arkas]

It is the same amount I have and it is shocking to me that it shows in her. I think she should genetically test because she does have another grandparent (unrelated to me) and another great-grandparent of "Portuguese American" origin (also unrelated to me) who may themselves have had some hidden SSA, so it could be higher. But from the line I am descended from I cannot imagine more than 1/64.

Either way, the girl looks mixed, and I would find it offensive for someone to tell her the percentage of ancestry matters more than what is likely her experience of being mistaken for non-white, asked if she is adopted (her father, related to me, looks white), etc.

Well, it could indeed also be a combination from her other side of the family unrelated to you.

Mixed race identity is a very complicated topic, many mixed race people feel not White enough or not Black enough, or whatever the type of mix is. Even if the person looks monoracial, to try and fit in with a single racial category doesn't feel right. I would imagine the experience is also similar for those even with admixture from very distant relatives.

[Sikeliot]

Well, it could indeed also be a combination from her other side of the family unrelated to you.

Her mother is of north Italian descent, unlikely any SSA from that side.

However, her father is fully Portuguese/Cape Verdean and my mother is half Polish so her other Portuguese grandparent, and my great-great uncle's wife could have also had SSA.

[Sikeliot]

But to conclude, I think experience of either privilege or oppression matters more in what we should claim rather than percentages.

Someone who is 20% SSA who looks white and is treated as white, is more "white" to me than someone who is 6% SSA and looks mixed (rare as it is), because the first person will at least pass as white walking through the world, the latter not.

[Congolese Rice]

But to conclude, I think experience of either privilege or oppression matters more in what we should claim rather than percentages.

Someone who is 20% SSA who looks white and is treated as white, is more "white" to me than someone who is 6% SSA and looks mixed (rare as it is), because the first person will at least pass as white walking through the world, the latter not.

would you say i could pass as white with my background? you said i could pass for puerto rican so just curious

[arkas]

But to conclude, I think experience of either privilege or oppression matters more in what we should claim rather than percentages.

Someone who is 20% SSA who looks white and is treated as white, is more "white" to me than someone who is 6% SSA and looks mixed (rare as it is), because the first person will at least pass as white walking through the world, the latter not.

Yes, I somewhat agree with your final point, how someone is treated in the world is going to also impact their identity. But I think how a person is raised will still impact them, how they were raised to identify as may not always correlate with how people treat them outside their family.

It can also depend on where and when they grew. I think even compared to America, in Australia to be White has a slightly different meaning and history to it.

How do you identify, Sikeliot?

[Sikeliot]

Yes, I somewhat agree with your final point, how someone is treated in the world is going to also impact their identity. But I think how a person is raised will still impact them, how they were raised to identify as may not always correlate with how people treat them outside their family.

It can also depend on where and when they grew. I think even compared to America, in Australia to be White has a slightly different meaning and history to it.

How do you identify, Sikeliot?

I identify with east med type people and as Sicilian American and Portuguese but I recognize the African and polish.

I reject the term European for me but I accept white.

[Bobby Martnen]

My view with "one drop rule" is you can claim that as part of your ancestry but not to actually BE that ethnicity. I.e. someone who is 1/32 Amerindian or SSA is not "Amerindian" or "black" but they can mention it as part of their ancestry without checking it on forms, gaining benefit from it, etc.

But it would benefit you to get the affirmative action that they give the blacks, and your SSA is actually from slavery, whereas the children of African immigrants to America, it's not.

So in a way, you're more "ancestrally oppressed" then, say, Barack Obama.

I'm only 1-2% Scottish, but I like Scotland.

[Decius]

The one drop rule is irrational and excludes many people who otherwise would be good nationalists. 1/8 seems like a good place to draw the line to me.

I would say 1/16. 1/8 black is still quite a bit of negroid

[renaissance12]

But to conclude, I think experience of either privilege or oppression matters more in what we should claim rather than percentages.

Someone who is 20% SSA who looks white and is treated as white, is more "white" to me than someone who is 6% SSA and looks mixed (rare as it is), because the first person will at least pass as white walking through the world, the latter not.

Can you post some pics of someone who is 6% SSA and look mixed with black-african ?

Some Arabs ?

[Wanderer]

1/8 is a bit much. I'd go with 1/16. On the other hand, the proverbial one-drop rule is absurd if you take it too seriously. What if it's 1/2048 or some ridiculous number? I believe the one-drop rule mostly applied to black admixture in an American legal context.