Nepalese DNA

**Kaazi** · 09-30-2020, 07:33 AM

Wow. The first and the only Thakuri kit so far. Looks like East Asian shifted Chhetri. However, the "S-Indian" is pretty consistent with Chhetris; the "Baloch" component is mostly traded off with "NE-Asian". Since Thakuris are not homogeneous, the person's ancestry would be important here. @Godardt, you have it now.

Kit A270337 (Last name- Thakuri) 169219 SNPs used in this evaluation
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 31.36
2 NE-Asian 28.24
3 Baloch 19.79
4 NE-Euro 5.79
5 Siberian 3.72
6 Caucasian 3.13
7 SE-Asian 3.09
8 Papuan 1.75
9 SW-Asian 1.46
10 American 1.09
11 Mediterranean 0.42
12 Beringian 0.16

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**Godardt** · 09-30-2020, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Kaazi

Wow. The first and the only Thakuri kit so far. Looks like East Asian shifted Chhetri. However, the "S-Indian" is pretty consistent with Chhetris; the "Baloch" component is mostly traded off with "NE-Asian". Since Thakuris are not homogeneous, the person's ancestry would be important here. @Godardt, you have it now.

Kit A270337 (Last name- Thakuri) 169219 SNPs used in this evaluation
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1 S-Indian 31.36
2 NE-Asian 28.24
3 Baloch 19.79
4 NE-Euro 5.79
5 Siberian 3.72
6 Caucasian 3.13
7 SE-Asian 3.09
8 Papuan 1.75
9 SW-Asian 1.46
10 American 1.09
11 Mediterranean 0.42
12 Beringian 0.16

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Thanks, I am not a racist, but some of these Thakuris really get on the nerves harping Jaat Jaat. I was really curious what the big deal was. Thanks friend.

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**Thambi** · 09-30-2020, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Kaazi

Wow. The first and the only Thakuri kit so far. Looks like East Asian shifted Chhetri. However, the "S-Indian" is pretty consistent with Chhetris; the "Baloch" component is mostly traded off with "NE-Asian". Since Thakuris are not homogeneous, the person's ancestry would be important here. @Godardt, you have it now.

Kit A270337 (Last name- Thakuri) 169219 SNPs used in this evaluation
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 31.36
2 NE-Asian 28.24
3 Baloch 19.79
4 NE-Euro 5.79
5 Siberian 3.72
6 Caucasian 3.13
7 SE-Asian 3.09
8 Papuan 1.75
9 SW-Asian 1.46
10 American 1.09
11 Mediterranean 0.42
12 Beringian 0.16

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Yeah i always wonder why bahuns and chhetris have pretty much the same ASI, even when the chhetri is like almost 35-40% East asian/siberian like that khadka sample i posted. Chhetris as a group formed after bahuns mixed with magar/mongoloid groups right? It should decrease all south indian and baloch proportionally but thats not the case. Even if we assume overtime they got more indic mix from mixing with bahuns, it doesnt explain why it only lowers baloch but not the S.indian

**~~Kamal900~~** · 09-30-2020, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Thambi

Yeah i always wonder why bahuns and chhetris have pretty much the same ASI, even when the chhetri is like almost 35-40% East asian/siberian like that khadka sample i posted. Chhetris as a group formed after bahuns mixed with magar/mongoloid groups right? It should decrease all south indian and baloch proportionally but thats not the case. Even if we assume overtime they got more indic mix from mixing with bahuns, it doesnt explain why it only lowers baloch but not the S.indian

Bro, can you do a thread about Bengalis or Malyalis and their closest genetic cousins, please? I'm very interested in the genetics of South Asians as a whole, rofl.

**Godardt** · 09-30-2020, 11:12 AM

I assume after coming across several writeups most Bahuns, Chettris and Dalits sprung up from Khas pastoralists.

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**Kaazi** · 10-01-2020, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Thambi

Yeah i always wonder why bahuns and chhetris have pretty much the same ASI, even when the chhetri is like almost 35-40% East asian/siberian like that khadka sample i posted. Chhetris as a group formed after bahuns mixed with magar/mongoloid groups right? It should decrease all south indian and baloch proportionally but thats not the case. Even if we assume overtime they got more indic mix from mixing with bahuns, it doesnt explain why it only lowers baloch but not the S.indian

Yeah, that's what I don't get. Chhetris are basically from the same South Asian stock (Khasa) as that of Brahmins/Bahuns, not that Chhetris are created from Bahuns though some Bahuns are absorbed into the Chhetri community. Chhetris gained more TB admixes that it should have been that Average Chhetris = Average Bahuns+ 20% Tibeto-Burmese. However, the S-Indian is same among both, though Chhetris being more East Asian admixed or say S-Indian/Baloch ratio is higher in Chhetris than Bahuns. That's also fine, Chhetris could be more AASI than Bahuns. However, both the heavy Tibetan shifted Khadka sample and the Thakuri sample have no significant reduction in their S-Indian from average Chhetri, or say they have insanely high S-Indian/Baloch ratio at 1.93 & 1.58 respectively compared to 1.30 for average Chhetris. If it was proportionate reduction of S-Indian & Baloch in both, it would have been closer towards that.

Also, surprisingly that the least East Asian admixed Chhetri (Kunwar sample) doesn't exceed 35% S-Indian as well (should've been 37%-39% S-Indian going by that S-Indian/Baloch ratio). That shows whatever East Asian proportion Chhetris have, they score S-Indian between 30%-35%. Baloch is mostly traded off/fluctuated for NE-Asian.

Kit: GF3670325 Kunwar (Chhetri) - 15% East Asian/Siberian. 169106 SNPs used in this evaluation
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 34.75
2 Baloch 30.47
3 NE-Euro 11.86
4 NE-Asian 11.4
5 Caucasian 4.64
6 Siberian 2.17
7 Mediterranean 1.74
8 SE-Asian 1.07

**Kaazi** · 10-08-2020, 06:17 PM

Interestingly, I expected Sherpa to be the most Tibetan shifted but they're scoring more or less similar South Asian admix as Kirantis (Rai/Limbu) so far.

Tibeto-Burmese
Kit XW1456647 Yangchen (Sherpa)- relative of the Yangchen Sherpa on 1st page. Scores some NE-Euro, Caucasian as well.
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 67.86
2 Siberian 11.86
3 S-Indian 8.87
4 SE-Asian 3.39
5 Papuan 1.88
6 Caucasian 1.76
7 American 1.43
8 NE-Euro 1.37
9 Beringian 0.91
10 E-African 0.67

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Kit UG8828433 Likely Gurung/Magar
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 62.81
2 S-Indian 16.3
3 Siberian 10.51
4 SE-Asian 5.14
5 Baloch 2.49
6 NE-Euro 1.31
7 Papuan 0.76
8 Mediterranean 0.68

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Nepali Brahmins/Bahuns
Dhungel
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 33.57
2 Baloch 33.33
3 NE-Euro 12.43
4 Caucasian 11.67
5 Siberian 3.74
6 SE-Asian 2.24
7 Mediterranean 1.23
8 NE-Asian 1.19
9 American 0.4
10 Papuan 0.12
11 Beringian 0.09

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Paudel/Poudel YDNA: R1a1a; mtDNA: R5a2b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 36.73
2 Baloch 35.34
3 NE-Euro 14.16
4 Caucasian 5
5 NE-Asian 3.13
6 Siberian 1.79
7 American 1.52
8 Mediterranean 1.45
9 Beringian 0.64
10 Papuan 0.24

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AGUser_relative#1 - the most Steppe shifted among Bahuns
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 34.4
2 S-Indian 34.09
3 NE-Euro 16.2
4 Caucasian 6.22
5 NE-Asian 2.96
6 Mediterranean 2.42
7 Siberian 1.3
8 Beringian 0.93
9 Papuan 0.75
10 SW-Asian 0.31
11 SE-Asian 0.21
12 American 0.21

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AGUser_relative#2 (Also Bahun)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 33.7
2 Baloch 32.25
3 NE-Euro 14.09
4 Caucasian 7.77
5 NE-Asian 4.37
6 Mediterranean 2.56
7 American 1.45
8 Beringian 1.27
9 Siberian 1.09
10 SE-Asian 0.79
11 SW-Asian 0.36
12 Papuan 0.29

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Gautam #1 YDNA: R-M417; mtDNA: R6
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.26
2 Baloch 33.54
3 Caucasian 10.7
4 NE-Euro 10.6
5 NE-Asian 4.71
6 American 2.27
7 Siberian 2.05
8 San 0.58
9 Papuan 0.24
10 Mediterranean 0.04

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Gautam#2 YDNA: R-Y7; mtDNA: N1a1b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 34.83
2 Baloch 34.4
3 NE-Euro 13.11
4 Caucasian 9.16
5 NE-Asian 3.01
6 Siberian 2.09
7 Beringian 1.12
8 Papuan 0.82
9 American 0.8
10 SE-Asian 0.3
11 Mediterranean 0.23
12 San 0.11

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Gautam#3 YDNA: R-Y7; mtDNA: N1a1b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.57
2 Baloch 35.35
3 NE-Euro 11.29
4 Caucasian 6.64
5 Beringian 2.78
6 Mediterranean 2.08
7 NE-Asian 1.99
8 Siberian 1.39
9 American 1.32
10 Papuan 1.27
11 San 0.33
12 SE-Asian 0.01

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Gautam#4 YDNA: R-Y7; mtDNA: N1a1b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 34.9
2 Baloch 34.35
3 NE-Euro 13.2
4 Caucasian 8.95
5 NE-Asian 2.96
6 Siberian 2.19
7 Beringian 1.12
8 American 0.83
9 Papuan 0.79
10 Mediterranean 0.29
11 SE-Asian 0.29
12 San 0.12

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**Thambi** · 10-11-2020, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Kaazi

This looks like the highest NE-Asian score from Nepal.

Kit JH7355083 Sherpa
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 74.55
2 Siberian 11.44
3 S-Indian 7.7
4 Papuan 1.99
5 Beringian 1.45
6 Baloch 0.9
7 Caucasian 0.73
8 SE-Asian 0.69
9 American 0.29
10 E-African 0.26

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bro are there any groups by the last name "singhe" in nepal? This person gets 77% NE asian. singhe is a last name found in sikkim based on some facebook profiles i've seen, but im not sure if there are kirants that have that surname. could be a tibetan living in india like around dharamsala and such. Honestly this person gets higher NE asian than majority of even northern chinese and japanese. there are some koreans and one ne chinese from liaoning that have higher NE asian though. highest NE asian i've seen is 79% from a northeast chinese dude. this sikkimese person is only 2% away.

Kit WP6595984

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 76.99
2 Siberian 13.53
3 S-Indian 5.29
4 SE-Asian 1.63
5 Papuan 1.03
6 American 0.9
7 Beringian 0.35
8 Mediterranean 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tibet (simonson) 2.78
2 nysha (reich) 6.98
3 naga (metspalu) 7.87
4 tu (hgdp) 8.77
5 aonaga (reich) 9
6 japanese (hgdp) 10.47
7 han-nchina (hgdp) 13.41
8 xibo (hgdp) 14.23
9 naxi (hgdp) 14.65
10 yi (hgdp) 16.26
11 mongola (hgdp) 18.25
12 chinese-beijing (1000genomes) 19.48
13 chinese-beijing (hapmap) 19.67
14 japanese (xing) 20.99
15 hezhen (hgdp) 24.02
16 japanese (1000genomes) 24.58
17 japanese (hapmap) 24.76
18 daur (hgdp) 25.06
19 tujia (hgdp) 30.64
20 chinese-american (hapmap) 31.18

**Thambi** · 10-11-2020, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kamal900

Bro, can you do a thread about Bengalis or Malyalis and their closest genetic cousins, please? I'm very interested in the genetics of South Asians as a whole, rofl.

bro sorry for the late reply. i made a bengali gedmatch thread a while back. you can take a look here
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...sults-and-Kits

and malayalis ill make one soon. they do have interesting mix among them compared to other south indians.

**Kaazi** · 10-11-2020, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Thambi

bro are there any groups by the last name "singhe" in nepal? This person gets 77% NE asian. singhe is a last name found in sikkim based on some facebook profiles i've seen, but im not sure if there are kirants that have that surname. could be a tibetan living in india like around dharamsala and such. Honestly this person gets higher NE asian than majority of even northern chinese and japanese. there are some koreans and one ne chinese from liaoning that have higher NE asian though. highest NE asian i've seen is 79% from a northeast chinese dude. this sikkimese person is only 2% away.

Kit WP6595984

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 76.99
2 Siberian 13.53
3 S-Indian 5.29
4 SE-Asian 1.63
5 Papuan 1.03
6 American 0.9
7 Beringian 0.35
8 Mediterranean 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tibet (simonson) 2.78

Singhe's not found in Nepalese Tibeto-Burmese groups afaik.

Wow. That guy's way more NE-Asian shifted than even the Sherpas who descended from Tibet as recent as 200 years ago. That looks likely a very isolated tribe. I mean that's the lowest "S-Indian" score in the mainstream South Asia. This sample's likely from East Indian/Bhutan regions bordering Eastern Nepal looking at the pattern of the score. That's the place where "NE-Asian" component peaks in South Asia imo.