Nepalese DNA

**~~Kamal900~~** · 10-12-2020, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Thambi

bro sorry for the late reply. i made a bengali gedmatch thread a while back. you can take a look here
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...sults-and-Kits

and malayalis ill make one soon. they do have interesting mix among them compared to other south indians.

Better late than never, rofl. Thanks bro

**Kaazi** · 10-12-2020, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Kaazi

Gautam #1 YDNA: R-M417; mtDNA: R6
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.26
2 Baloch 33.54
3 Caucasian 10.7
4 NE-Euro 10.6
5 NE-Asian 4.71
6 American 2.27
7 Siberian 2.05
8 San 0.58
9 Papuan 0.24
10 Mediterranean 0.04

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My mistake, it came in the Nepalese gedmatch searchlist. As per AG User MonkeyDLuffy, this result's Himachal Brahmin. https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post696744 The sample is also at the lowest end of NE-Euro+Med for Nepalese Brahmins/ Bahuns and has slight higher Caucasian than them.

**Kaazi** · 10-13-2020, 03:13 AM

The only Thakali kit so far. They live in Mustang mostly around Thak Khola (river) except those leading urban life. It's surprising that such high South Asian admix entered Mustang which borders Tibet. The Iran Neolithic component (6% Baloch and 3% Caucasian) is legit in this sample and more than even Gurungs who live more in the central hills.

Bhattachan (Thakali) Kit: M624573
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 61.7
2 S-Indian 13.06
3 Siberian 10.49
4 Baloch 5.85
5 SE-Asian 3.88
6 Caucasian 2.8
7 Papuan 0.72
8 Beringian 0.72
9 E-African 0.65
10 San 0.14

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**Kaazi** · 10-13-2020, 03:46 AM

These two Chhetri harappaworld scores were brought up by user NPKTO and they're legit Chhetri names. "Basnyat" spelling is mostly taken by old aristocrat Chhetris (Kaaji families), isn't it @Godardt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basnyat_family lol it sounds very archaic to me. Basnyat scores NE-Euro+Med like lower end Bahuns. Karki is a very common Chhetri name as well.

Basnyat

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 30.19
2 Baloch 25.41
3 NE-Asian 20.56
4 NE-Euro 10.52
5 Caucasian 5
6 Siberian 4.44
7 Mediterranean 1.35
8 Papuan 0.9
9 American 0.75
10 SE-Asian 0.56
11 Beringian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 nepalese-c (xing) 6.16
2 nepalese-a (xing) 19.66
3 burusho (hgdp) 20.69
4 up-muslim (harappa) 20.98
5 kashmiri (harappa) 21.83
6 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 22.09
7 bihari-muslim (harappa) 22.78
8 bengali (harappa) 22.82
9 punjabi (harappa) 23.11
10 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 23.18
11 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 23.53
12 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 23.7
13 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 23.78
14 haryana-jatt (harappa) 23.78
15 up-brahmin (harappa) 23.82
16 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 23.88
17 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 24.15
18 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 24.16
19 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 24.24
20 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 24.44

Karki

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.37
2 Baloch 27.56
3 NE-Asian 18.51
4 NE-Euro 7.3
5 Caucasian 5.29
6 Siberian 3.08
7 American 1.53
8 SE-Asian 0.88
9 Beringian 0.24
10 San 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 nepalese-c (xing) 6.62
2 nepalese-a (xing) 17.29
3 bengali (harappa) 17.86
4 up-muslim (harappa) 18.01
5 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 18.02
6 bihari-muslim (harappa) 18.2
7 kashmiri (harappa) 19.79
8 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 20.21
9 up-brahmin (harappa) 20.32
10 punjabi (harappa) 20.32
11 burusho (hgdp) 20.35
12 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 20.37
13 vaish (reich) 20.5
14 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 20.61
15 maharashtrian (harappa) 20.76
16 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 20.77
17 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 20.89
18 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 20.92
19 cochin-jew (behar) 21.1
20 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 21.15

**Godardt** · 10-13-2020, 04:33 AM

Yes, Basnet is the modern variance of Basnyat. Old Basnyat families stick to Basnyat. Similarly, variants of Singh are Singha, as written by most Bajhangis today and also Simha, I'm unsure as to Singhs from which clan have adopted the latter as their Surname.

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**Kaazi** · 10-14-2020, 03:32 AM

Higher East Asian/Siberian (52%) for a Shrestha Newar. Almost 55% Naga in oracles.

Shrestha - Newar 171507 SNPs used in this evaluation
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 45.49
2 S-Indian 24.35
3 Baloch 13.84
4 Siberian 4.89
5 Caucasian 3.54
6 SE-Asian 2.37
7 Papuan 1.75
8 American 1.09
9 NE-Euro 0.88
10 SW-Asian 0.84
11 Beringian 0.38
12 E-African 0.35
13 W-African 0.23

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**Godardt** · 10-14-2020, 04:28 AM

Wow.

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**Kaazi** · 10-24-2020, 03:15 AM

This result is quite distant from the Mulepati and other Shrestha Newars. Also, this result appears closer to the "Nepalese-C" average which is kinda Tibetid shifted from Chhetri averages. It's also 5% less East Asian/Siberian than the previous Thakuri result. So, I think this isn't the Newar Malla; hence the 2nd Thakuri result so far.

This result got elevated Caucasian for such high East Asian/Siberian shift. 'Caucasian' component when compared to Baloch and NE-Euro is high for Nepalis which could indicate it may had some high Caucasian/BMAC base (?) before intermixing or intermixed with NW Rajputs since it's a Thakuri. If it's from the western Nepal, then only it's the patrilineal heir of the Khasa emperors. Unfortunately, the Y-DNA isn't detected yet.

Malla (Thakuri)- 171494 SNPs used in this evaluation
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 31.41
2 NE-Asian 26.29
3 Baloch 23.84
4 Caucasian 7.43
5 NE-Euro 3.56
6 Siberian 3.55
7 Beringian 1.2
8 American 1.05
9 Mediterranean 0.68
10 Papuan 0.6
11 SW-Asian 0.36
12 SE-Asian 0.03

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One of it's 4 way ancestor is Kalash which could point out it got some quarter of high BMAC admix/ancestry.

4-Oracle

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**Kaazi** · 10-26-2020, 01:46 AM

Adhikari (4/4 Bahun from Easternmost Nepal) YDNA: R-L657 and mtDNA: M36d

This guy has an interesting result. The "Caucasian" is the highest among Nepalis so far and the "S-Indian" and "NE-Euro" is among lowest for Nepalese Bahuns. The "Baloch" to "S-Indian" ratio and "Caucasian to NE-Euro" ratio is very high. So, this result looks like Kashmiri Pandit with lil East Asian rather than a Bahun as you can see the "Nepalese-A" average is at the 12th position in terms of closeness.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 34.25
2 S-Indian 30.37
3 Caucasian 13.19
4 NE-Euro 9.36
5 NE-Asian 5.71
6 American 2.45
7 Siberian 2.15
8 Mediterranean 1.36
9 Beringian 0.59
10 W-African 0.42
11 San 0.14

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4-Oracles

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Originally Posted by Kaazi

Last name-Raya, could be a Shrestha Newar, Thakuri, mixed Chhetri or multiple mixes.
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 42.52
2 S-Indian 19.78
3 Baloch 16.94
4 Siberian 7.39
5 Caucasian 3.71
6 SE-Asian 3.51
7 NE-Euro 3.39
8 Papuan 2.13
9 W-African 0.46
10 American 0.17

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Well, this guy confirmed to be 1/2 Rayamajhi Chhetri (father) + 1/2 Sunuwar Kiranti (mother). I'm just speculating what his paternal Rayamajhi side could be; not to be taken too seriously. The low South Asian (9%) & high Mongoloid (88%) Kiranti (Rai Kit AF4263490) and another high South Asian (12%) & low Mongoloid (84%) Kiranti (Limbu Kit T029409) results are considered in the place of his Kiranti mother.

Father Rayamajhi Chhetri #1 Using low South Asian & high Mongoloid Kiranti (Rai) Kit AF4263490.
# Population Percent
1 Baloch 33.26
2 S-Indian 32.11
3 NE-Asian 11.97
4 Caucasian 6.89
5 NE-Euro 6.78
6 Siberian 4.71
7 SE-Asian 2.03
8 Papuan 1.76
9 W African 0.45
10 American 0.04

Father Rayamajhi Chhetri #2 Using high South Asian & low Mongoloid Kiranti (Limbu) Kit T029409.
# Population Percent
1 Baloch 33.14
2 S-Indian 28.15
3 NE-Asian 16.37
4 Caucasian 7.06
5 NE-Euro 6.78
6 Siberian 4.43
7 SE-Asian 1.69
8 Papuan 2.50

In both results, the father Rayamajhi appears to have "Baloch" component higher than "S-Indian" component which is atypical for Chhetris. The first result can be considered a Chhetri result albeit high Baloch. The second one has very low S-Indian. The result of this guy's father would be interesting if tested.

**Kaazi** · 11-01-2020, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Thambi

Yeah i always wonder why bahuns and chhetris have pretty much the same ASI, even when the chhetri is like almost 35-40% East asian/siberian like that khadka sample i posted. Chhetris as a group formed after bahuns mixed with magar/mongoloid groups right? It should decrease all south indian and baloch proportionally but thats not the case. Even if we assume overtime they got more indic mix from mixing with bahuns, it doesnt explain why it only lowers baloch but not the S.indian

Thambi, I found that the Khadka guy A642452 to be 1/2 Chhetri (Birgunj) + 1/2 Newar (Kathmandu) with some Indian-Burmese mix. This theory of South Indian increasing with increasing East Asian is due to Newar-Indian-Burmese complex mixes in his case. Well, I've seen two Newars with high S-Indian; one with 41% S-Indian (Shrestha) and the other 36% S-Indian (Chitrakar).

His 4-oracles might point something about his Indo-Burmese ancestor. If we assume his paternal Chhetri side similar to Uttaranchal Brahmin, then his maternal side appears Gond+Japanese (Newar with Indian-Burmese mix) in 3 way oracles.

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Originally Posted by Kaazi

Kit A270337 (Last name- Thakuri) 169219 SNPs used in this evaluation
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 31.36
2 NE-Asian 28.24
3 Baloch 19.79
4 NE-Euro 5.79
5 Siberian 3.72
6 Caucasian 3.13
7 SE-Asian 3.09
8 Papuan 1.75
9 SW-Asian 1.46
10 American 1.09
11 Mediterranean 0.42
12 Beringian 0.16

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While the Thakuri guy happens to be a mix of 1/4 Shahi Thakuri (Jumla) + 1/4 Jharra Chhetri paternally and 1/4 Jharra Chhetri + 1/4 Kumai Bahun maternally. I think the Thakuri on his unadmixed paternal side could have some high East Asian with elevated South Indian type mix becoz all the Chhetris (including half Chhetris) are within the 30-35% S-Indian range and it's similar ratio. I have collected Chhetri kits, they look mostly consistent while Thakuris and Uttarakhand Rajputs are not yet sufficient and are inconsistent to have any conclusion. His Y-DNA is interesting C2b with M mt-DNA per Wegene.

1/2 Chhetri (Rayamajhi) with 1/2 Tibeto-Burmese Sunuwar Kiranti (confirmed) looks like this which has less than 20% S-Indian (note that full Kirantis have consistent 8-11% S-Indian themselves).

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