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    Islam was actually progressive for its time, especially for the Arab community. Women have right to own propert and divorce their husbands in Islam, also husbands have to pay alimony.



    It's just that Islam has not been reformed and now it's very backward compared to modern time.
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    . Almost every blame put on Islam has clearly a base on the Torah, but it is true that the Bible is strictly different than the Quran because it is just a touching storybook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephK View Post
    Do you keep saying things like this because of these videos?
    What videos? Do you think my knowledge and faith in God is based on videos??? Don't insult me please.
    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" ~ Heb 11:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prinses View Post
    Have you read Quran by yourself to make that statement or do you only believe what's written and said on internet. Just asking, because Quran and Bible do have similarities.
    I have read about the Quran, I have no interest in reading it. They may have superficial similarities, because the Quran sourced things from apocryphal Christian and Jewish writings. But it's superficial.
    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" ~ Heb 11:1

    "And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." ~ Heb 11:6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarian of the Age View Post
    . Almost every blame put on Islam has clearly a base on the Torah, but it is true that the Bible is strictly different than the Quran because it is just a touching storybook.
    What is a "touching storybook"? I know the Quran is a storybook, but it's not touching.

    The Bible is the inspired word of God.
    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" ~ Heb 11:1

    "And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." ~ Heb 11:6

    "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." ~ John 3:36

    "Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." ~ Rom 10:9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I have read about the Quran, I have no interest in reading it. They may have superficial similarities, because the Quran sourced things from apocryphal Christian and Jewish writings. But it's superficial.
    Honestly, man, I really recommend you read the Quran. I'm not just saying that to proselytize you (I'm no Muslim), nor to criticize your lack of awareness, but because of its significance, particularly as it relates to the Bible... It's worth knowing, it's worth reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephK View Post
    Honestly, man, I really recommend you read the Quran. I'm not just saying that to proselytize you (I'm no Muslim), nor to criticize your lack of awareness, but because of its significance, particularly as it relates to the Bible... It's worth knowing, it's worth reading.
    I know enough about it, and to be honest there isn't enough time. There is much to study about the Bible, and I also read apocryphal writings that are of interest. And no, the Quran doesn't relate to the Bible. It is demonic inspired.

    Listen... I'm a Christian, and I know that God is real and the Bible carries his message of salvation. This is a fact. I'm not indoctrinated or anything, I know the truth. And I would encourage you to search for Jesus in your life too... because he is real and alive and is the ultimate truth. You will also one day stand before Jesus, and you are required to accept him as your personal saviour in this life already... in the next phase it will be too late. There is hell for those who don't accept him...
    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" ~ Heb 11:1

    "And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." ~ Heb 11:6

    "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." ~ John 3:36

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    If you're judging things as by the word of God, what makes you think that the Quran is false? Wouldn't that be blasphemy?
    The Quran doesn't contradict anything in the Bible... in fact it sheds light on a lot of Biblical events...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephK View Post
    If you're judging things as by the word of God, what makes you think that the Quran is false? Wouldn't that be blasphemy?
    The Quran doesn't contradict anything in the Bible... in fact it sheds light on a lot of Biblical events...
    I know it is false. I have experienced God, I know him.

    The Quran doesn't shed light on Biblical events, it offers alternative (false) versions. And yes, the Quran does contradict the Bible, and also in things that matter most... which strongly points to it being a Satanic deception to draw people away from the one true God, Jesus Christ. The Quran denies that Jesus died and rose from the dead. He died for our sins, yours too. Will you accept him or not?
    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" ~ Heb 11:1

    "And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." ~ Heb 11:6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarian of the Age View Post
    . Almost every blame put on Islam has clearly a base on the Torah, but it is true that the Bible is strictly different than the Quran because it is just a touching storybook.
    Unike the Koran the Bible doesn't claim to be the word of God himself written down in literal form but simply a testimony of different
    people inspired by God

    Prophets in the Old Testament

    And disciples of Christ and Apostles in the new.

    The meaning of the new testament is to give testamony of Jesus and his live and work but the text is written by the Apostles
    and doesn't claime to come directly from Jesus himself or from an Angel

    So is the Koran which claims that every single word there is from God himself more credible?
    The Talmud tells us that the only language the Torah could be translated into elegantly is Greek.

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