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View Poll Results: Western Slavs which stick out from the rest the most are

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  • Czechs

    10 66.67%
  • Poles

    3 20.00%
  • Slovaks

    1 6.67%
  • Sorbs (do not confuse them with Serbs)

    8 53.33%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Back in the 17th century, Sorbs were still not yet an enclave surrounded by Germans.

    At that time near Zielona Góra and Krosno Odrzańskie ethnic Sorbian settlement area bordered directly with ethnic Polish settlement area.

    That connection disappeared in the 18th-19th centuries as the area was Germanized.
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    Map from page 252/253:

    http://www.cyfronet.krakow.pl/~n1kok...stery-2015.pdf

    Last edited by Peterski; 09-04-2018 at 09:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Slovenes are usually counted as South Slavs, not West.

    But it is true that they are in-between West and South.

    In the Early Middle Ages, Slovenes lived in the north as far as the Danube, being neighbours of West Slavs. Later those northern Slovene lands were Germanized (Bavarian expansion into what is now Austria) and Magyarized (Hungarian expansion), but Slovene language still shows many similarities with West Slavic languages (especially Slovak), and also genetically Slovenes are more similar to West Slavs than other South Slavic groups.

    Map of Medieval Slovene lands compared to modern Slovenia:

    http://www.gis.si/egw/ZSS_T04_P02/img/karta2.jpg

    See your point. I could not see the vote from the tapatalk app. I voted for Czechs as a country having strong German and west-central European influence..

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    Czechs are just wanna be Germans

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooops View Post
    Czechs are just wanna be Germans
    In the outbreak of 19th Century it seemed that Czechs will be fully Germanized during 2 generations. But our ancestors decided to keep their language and culture, though.
    1984 was A Warning Not A Manual

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikula View Post
    In the outbreak of 19th Century it seemed that Czechs will be fully Germanized during 2 generations.
    Why so soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Why so soon?
    Czech language was tongue of villagers, non-educated people. Town dwellers and nobility were Germans or Germanized.
    Czech National Revival was a work of intelectuals, originated mostly from small towns and villages.
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    Poles. They speak the weirdest Slavic language most deviant from Proto-Slavic what phonology is concerned (like what German is to Germanic, Polish is to Slavic).
    Czech culturally I guess, for being the least conservative of them all.

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    Sorbs i guess. But i don't know much about Sorbs to begin with. I just know Czechs and Slovaks are very similar. Poles not far behind them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikula View Post
    In the outbreak of 19th Century it seemed that Czechs will be fully Germanized during 2 generations. But our ancestors decided to keep their language and culture, though.
    Even Josef Dobrovský, who wrote a descriptive book on modern Czech grammar, believed Czech wouldn't make a return as cultural language. Luckily mass education made rid of that 19th century notion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Sorbs i guess. But i don't know much about Sorbs to begin with. I just know Czechs and Slovaks are very similar. Poles not far behind them.
    Czechs = one of the most atheistic nation in the world.
    Polaks = one of the most religious nation in the world.

    There hasn't been any contact between Czechs and Polaks for many centuries. In fact all known history we have no contact. West Slavs = a linguistic group, nothing more.

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