Haplogroups R30 and I-M438, what can you tell me about them?

[Arborean]

Someone can be a basal subclade and then change when more people were tested. I was basal I1-S2077 and now I am not.

Yes. What I mean is, typically basal clades mean you are negative for all known clades. Of course the more people test that will eventually become refined. Since I tested my matches for my novels now we have a clade defining our cluster(even though its not on yfull). I was suggesting if hes that Greek sample its possible he has a similar occurrence of a founder effect. So if a bunch of Greeks start showing up, then it could be a case where the Slavic settler was assimilated in the early middle ages and developed a founder effect, or "Greek" specific I2a-Din. Kind of like that I-A2512 cluster that is only found in Greeks. Recently I think they discovered the parent clade to it in another Greek which split the clade.

[arkas]

It's obviously Slavic. I thought I already went over this with you.


https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z17855/

Sure, but I am also curious about any other information I can find out about the haplogroup, as well as my maternal one which I can't find much information on. You were quite vague.

[arkas]

As Kelmendasi mentioned it is of Slavic origin. However, we know Vlachs absorbed alot of Slavic haplogroups. Judging by its distribution, this particular clade could have been Vlach? Transitioning from Slavic to Vlachic in the middle ages. Purely a guess on my part(due to how common it is in Romania). Could have been Romanian/Vlach/Bulgarian initially. What is your ethnicity?

My paternal side is Greek.

[Arborean]

My paternal side is Greek.

Are you that sample on Yfull? What company did you test with? If you have a Greek founder effect then it could be an early assimilated Proto-Slav that became assimilated by Byzantines. For instance since my 'Albanian' founder effect is 1240ypb, it likely joined Proto-Albanian clans between 600-700AD either directly from Proto-Slavic into Proto-Albanian or from a Byzantine/Vlach into Proto-Albanian and then taking part in the Albanian ethnogenesis. If yours underwent a similar process then as more data becomes available, your matches should be mostly Greek, and depending when you and other Greeks split from a common cluster, would indicate when in time it became part of the Greeks. Considering some of the earliest raids into Greece were around 600AD or so, it could have a similar TMRCA to mine. In my guess it would be the Baiounitai or Berziti Sklavenoi tribes as they were some of the earliest to settle around Albania/Macedonia. In your case(assuming you're from the Peloponnese) your earliest ancestor could theoretically be part of either the Melingoi, or the Ezerites tribes.

[arkas]

Are you that sample on Yfull? What company did you test with? If you have a Greek founder effect then it could be an early assimilated Proto-Slav that became assimilated by Byzantines. For instance since my 'Albanian' founder effect is 1240ypb, it likely joined Proto-Albanian clans between 600-700AD either directly from Proto-Slavic into Proto-Albanian or from a Byzantine/Vlach into Proto-Albanian and then taking part in the Albanian ethnogenesis. If yours underwent a similar process then as more data becomes available, your matches should be mostly Greek, and depending when you and other Greeks split from a common cluster, would indicate when in time it became part of the Greeks. Considering some of the earliest raids into Greece were around 600AD or so, it could have a similar TMRCA to mine. In my guess it would be the Baiounitai or Berziti Sklavenoi tribes as they were some of the earliest to settle around Albania/Macedonia. In your case(assuming you're from the Peloponnese) your earliest ancestor could theoretically be part of either the Melingoi, or the Ezerites tribes.

That makes sense, I'll just have to wait till testing improves.

23andme is what I used, I made another thread showing my full results, here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...me-DNA-results

[Arborean]

That makes sense, I'll just have to wait till testing improves.

23andme is what I used, I made another thread showing my full results, here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...me-DNA-results

Nice. I would take the alpha beta at Yseq. It’s 100 dollars and you get matching. You can then join a haplogroup project and assuming you share common mutations they will tell you what SNP panel to order. They only way to establish the founder effect is bigY or fullgenomes though. They can predict if you belong to one with the alpha beta test though.

[Bobby Martnen]

I2a isn't quite I1, but it's better than R1-monkeys

[reignman]

I got my haplogroups via 23andme.

Paternal: I-M438 (I-Z17855)
Some have said it's of Slavic origin, on another Anthro forum someone sent me this map showing it's occurance in Greece, but with little context.
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Hi Arkas,

Can you join I-Z17855 group on Facebook?

[arkas]

Hi Arkas,

Can you join I-Z17855 group on Facebook?

Haha there's a Facebook group??

[Dick]

Haha there's a Facebook group??

Watch out man they’re gonn slavcize u