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    Let's discuss the linguistical differences between Bulgarian and Macedonian and could those differences make us conclude that the languages are today separate. It's also interesting to point out the differences regarding mentality, culture, phenotypes. Although I think that we can find out more common things than differences.

    Here are some differences I can think of

    - The Macedonian alphabet is definitely closer to the Serbian alphabet. It doesn't have ъ , я , й , ю like before 1945, but it has some Serbian or pseudo Serbian letter who have been added during the same year.

    - Standard Bulgarian is based on Central-Northern Tarnovo dialects which are part of the Eastern Bulgarian dialects. According to Koneski, Macedonian is based on the Central Macedonian dialects (Veles, Prilep). This creates different pronounciation of certain words (MK: пат, заб, леб, млеко, БГ: път, зъб, хляб, мляко). In the past the words in both Bulgaria and Macedonia were written as зѫбъ, пѫть, хлѣбъ, млѣко. The letters ѫ and ѣ do not exist in Bulgarian or Macedonian today, but their usage in the past was very important and a symbol of equivalence of all Bulgarian dialects.

    - As far as I know the grammar is the same. The vocabulary is the only thing that can confuse Bulgarian and Macedonian people in a conversation.

    1. I have read that they made an analysation of MAcedonian newspapers from 70' and 80'. Around 80% of the words were the same as in standard Bulgarian or present in some dialects within Bulgaria. The rest 20% come from Serbian and various other languages.

    2. There are some Macedonian words that do not exist in both Serbian or Bulgarian.

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    Macedonian: Tatko ti
    Bulgarian: Bashta si

    Case closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Macedonian: Tatko ti
    Bulgarian: Bashta si

    Case closed.
    Bulgarians use tatko and bashta, probably like Macedonians before 1945. Also this Bashta si is incorrect, it would be Bashta ti.

    Tatko is used in everyday life, i call my father tatko, tate and its more soft than bashta.

    Honestly, is your Macedonian fluent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    Bulgarians use tatko and bashta, probably like Macedonians before 1945. Also this Bashta si is incorrect, it would be Bashta ti.

    Honestly, is your Macedonian fluent?
    Bashta is non existent in Macedonian to mean Father. It's either Tatko or Otec. Otec is mainly for Father of a Church. Priest.

    Bashta is vegetable garden in Lerin dialects. lol

    I'm sure you sometimes end things with 'si' instead of 'ti' sometimes? I'm pretty sure iv'e heard and seen it.

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    Bulgarian:

    Член 11

    1. Нито една от Договарящите се страни няма да предприема, подтиква и поддържа действия, насочени срещу другата страна, които имат неприятелски характер.

    2. Нито една от Договарящите се страни няма да допуска нейната територия да бъде използвана срещу другата от организации и групи, които имат за цел извършването на подривни, сепаратистки и застрашаващи спокойствието и сигурността на другата Договаряща се страна действия.

    3. Двете Договарящи се страни нямат и няма да предявяват териториални претенции една спрямо друга.

    4.Всяка от Договарящите се страни има право да защитава правата и интересите на своите граждани, на територията на другата страна, в съответствие с международното право.

    5. Република Македония потвърждава, че нищо от нейната Конституция не може и не трябва да се тълкува, че представлява или някога ще представлява основа за намеса във вътрешните работи на Република България, с цел защита на статута и правата на лица, които не са граждани на Република Македония.

    6. Двете Договарящи се страни ще предприемат ефикасни мерки за предотвратяване на недобронамерена пропаганда от страна на институции и агенции и ще обезкуражават дейности на частни субекти, насочени към подстрекателство на насилие, омраза или други подобни действия, които биха навредили на техните отношения.

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    Член 11

    1.Ниту една од Договорните страни нема да презема, поттикнува и поддржува дејствија, насочени против другата земја, кои имаат непријателски карактер.

    2.Ниту една од Договорните страни нема да дозволи нејзината територија да биде искористена против другата од организации и групи, кои имаат за цел извршување на субверзивни, сепаратистички дејствија и дејствија кои се закана за мирот и безбедноста на другата Договорна страна.

    3.Двете Договорни страни немаат и нема да пројавуваат територијални претензии една спрема друга.

    4.Секоја од Договорните страни има право да ги заштитува правата и интересите на своите државјани, на територијата на другата Договорна страна, во согласност со меѓународното право.

    5.Република Македонија потврдува дека ништо од нејзиниот Устав не може и не треба да се толкува дека претставува или некогаш ќе претставува основа за мешање во внатрешните работи на Република Бугарија, со цел заштита на статусот и правата на лица што не се државјани на Република Македонија.

    6.Двете Договорни страни ќе преземаат ефикасни мерки за спречување на недобронамерна пропаганда од страна на институции и агенции и ќе обесхрабруваат дејности на приватни субјекти, насочени кон поттикнување на насилство, омраза или други слични дејствија, кои би им наштетиле на нивните односи.

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    Spotted only one foreign word - MK: обесхрабруваат BG:обезкуражават

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    American linguist speaking Macedonian, talking about the Macedonian language being different from Bulgarian and Serbian.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    Spotted only one foreign word - MK: обесхрабруваат BG:обезкуражават
    There's alot of words with different spelling to eachother. For example: Bulgarian: Договарящите/Dogovoryashtite. Macedonian: Договорните/Dogovornite. Also you say s, we say so. We say Gragyani, you say Grazhdani.

    There is so much.

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    Same sentance. Top one in Bulgarian, bottom in Macedonian.

    които биха навредили на техните отношения.

    кои би им наштетиле на нивните односи.

    We say nivnite. You say tehnite. Difference? Of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    American linguist speaking Macedonian, talking about the Macedonian language being different from Bulgarian and Serbian.

    I can translate everything from this video, without exception.

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