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    The Lords prayer in Macedonian and Bulgarian.

    Македонски
    Оче наш, кој си на небесата,да се свети името Твое,
    да дојде царството Твое,да биде волјата Твоја,
    како на небото, така и на земјата;
    лебот наш насушен дај ни го денеси прости ни ги долговите наши
    како и ние што им ги проштеваме на нашите должници;
    и не нč воведувај во искушение,
    но избави нč од лукавиот.Амин!



    Blgarski

    Отче наш, Който си на небесата!
    Да се свети Твоето име,
    да дойде Твоето Царство,
    да бъде Твоята воля,
    както на небето, тъй и на земята;
    Насъщния ни хляб дай ни днес,
    и прости нам дълговете ни,
    както и ние прощаваме на нашите длъжници,
    и не въведи нас в изкушение,
    но избави ни от лукавия;
    защото Твое е царството,
    и силата, и славата, вовеки веков.
    Амин.

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    Macedonian:


    Bulgarian:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    The artificial division of Macedonians and Bulgarians has led to big ignorance regarding the people from both sides.
    We know about the codification process of the Macedonian literary language and how it was distanced from Bulgarian, but do we have some more information of Soviet-influenced Bulgarian language reforms post-WW2?
    I believe this also provided distance between the two.

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    A little off-topic, but I like this story

    https://pogled.mk/foto-pretstavnitsi...drej-kovachev/

    ФОТО: Претставници на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ на гробот на Тодор Александров во Бугарија со Ангел Џамбаски и Андреј Ковачев
    on September 3, 2018


    VMRO BG MK.jpg

    На покана на европратеникот Андреј Ковачев од Република Бугарија, претставници на политичката партија ВМРО-ДПМНЕ меѓу кои и заменик генералниот секретар на партијата Петар Богојески и членот на ИК на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ Костадин Богданов, вчера во село Сугарево присуствуваа на одбележувањето на 94 години од смртта на великанот Тодор Александров.

    На одбележувањето на 94 годишнината од смртта на човекот кој се бореше за независна и самостојна Македонија присуствуваа претставници и од ВМРО БНД, партијата на вицепремиерот и министер за одбрана на Република Бугарија Красимир Каракачанов, како и европратеникот Андреј Ковачев кој доаѓа од партијата ГЕРБ на премиерот на Република Бугарија Бојко Борисов.

    На местото каде што е гробот на Тодор Александров, присутните, направија и заедничка фотогрфија со знамињата на Македонија и Бугарија, како и знамето на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ кое беше истакнато токму од членот на ИК на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ Костадин Богданов и неговиот сопартијец заменик генералниот секретар Петар Богојески.
    Last edited by Crn Volk; 09-06-2018 at 12:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Bashta is non existent in Macedonian to mean Father. It's either Tatko or Otec. Otec is mainly for Father of a Church. Priest.

    Bashta is vegetable garden in Lerin dialects. lol

    I'm sure you sometimes end things with 'si' instead of 'ti' sometimes? I'm pretty sure iv'e heard and seen it.
    In the old Serbian tongue the word башта was certainly used. The feudal lords' estate was called баштина, which indicated permanent, hereditary ownership, unlike the the пронија (byzantine-derived), the estate which was given by the ruler as compensation for military service. Even today we use баштина as a synonym for heritage (наслеђе) - културна баштина, природна баштина. We have a word башта in our vocabulary even today, but the origin of that one is Turkish and means 'garden'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    Let's discuss the linguistical differences between Bulgarian and Macedonian and could those differences make us conclude that the languages are today separate. It's also interesting to point out the differences regarding mentality, culture, phenotypes. Although I think that we can find out more common things than differences.

    Here are some differences I can think of

    - The Macedonian alphabet is definitely closer to the Serbian alphabet. It doesn't have ъ , я , й , ю like before 1945, but it has some Serbian or pseudo Serbian letter who have been added during the same year.

    - Standard Bulgarian is based on Central-Northern Tarnovo dialects which are part of the Eastern Bulgarian dialects. According to Koneski, Macedonian is based on the Central Macedonian dialects (Veles, Prilep). This creates different pronounciation of certain words (MK: пат, заб, леб, млеко, БГ: път, зъб, хляб, мляко). In the past the words in both Bulgaria and Macedonia were written as зѫбъ, пѫть, хлѣбъ, млѣко. The letters ѫ and ѣ do not exist in Bulgarian or Macedonian today, but their usage in the past was very important and a symbol of equivalence of all Bulgarian dialects.

    - As far as I know the grammar is the same. The vocabulary is the only thing that can confuse Bulgarian and Macedonian people in a conversation.

    1. I have read that they made an analysation of MAcedonian newspapers from 70' and 80'. Around 80% of the words were the same as in standard Bulgarian or present in some dialects within Bulgaria. The rest 20% come from Serbian and various other languages.

    2. There are some Macedonian words that do not exist in both Serbian or Bulgarian.
    This is a dumb topic (comparing dialects of Serbian) but l'll entertain it for a bit.

    Archduke, it depends which dialect your comparing? North Macedonian dialects are 90% like 'standard serbian' from Bosnia, Eastern Macedonian dialects don't say taa, Toj, Toa but Serbian ON, ONO, ONA etc.....Sopsko dialects of Bugarska, not Bu(L)garska, speak like a Serb from Serbia Mleko not Ml(JA)ko etc....

    Whoever says Bugarska, your dealing with a Serb, whoever says Bu(L)garska is an Asiatic! So based on this analysis 50% of Macedonia is Serbian and 50% of Bulgaria is Serbian.

    Anyway, Macedonia is so diverse, where one will from say Rolka for hand in Western Mk, Ruka for Northern or Sopi dialects and others Raka!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    We know about the codification process of the Macedonian literary language and how it was distanced from Bulgarian, but do we have some more information of Soviet-influenced Bulgarian language reforms post-WW2?
    I believe this also provided distance between the two.

    It was actually post their liberation, helped by the Russians, that saw the the introduction of Russinisms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    In the old Serbian tongue the word башта was certainly used. The feudal lords' estate was called баштина, which indicated permanent, hereditary ownership, unlike the the пронија (byzantine-derived), the estate which was given by the ruler as compensation for military service. Even today we use баштина as a synonym for heritage (наслеђе) - културна баштина, природна баштина. We have a word башта in our vocabulary even today, but the origin of that one is Turkish and means 'garden'.
    Interesting.

    Well some dialects use bashta as garden, and some use bavcha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novi Pazar View Post
    This is a dumb topic (comparing dialects of Serbian) but l'll entertain it for a bit.

    Archduke, it depends which dialect your comparing? North Macedonian dialects are 90% like 'standard serbian' from Bosnia, Eastern Macedonian dialects don't say taa, Toj, Toa but Serbian ON, ONO, ONA etc.....Sopsko dialects of Bugarska, not Bu(L)garska, speak like a Serb from Serbia Mleko not Ml(JA)ko etc....

    Whoever says Bugarska, your dealing with a Serb, whoever says Bu(L)garska is an Asiatic! So based on this analysis 50% of Macedonia is Serbian and 50% of Bulgaria is Serbian.

    Anyway, Macedonia is so diverse, where one will from say Rolka for hand in Western Mk, Ruka for Northern or Sopi dialects and others Raka!
    You have alot of things mixed up. It's Eastern dialects that would mostly say taa, toj, toa and north-north western dialects that would say on, ono, ona. I'm south western and we say taa, toj, toa.

    As for raka/hand, most dialects say that. I know mine does and we have nothing to do with north Macedonia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    It was actually post their liberation, helped by the Russians, that saw the the introduction of Russinisms.
    Word RABOTA?

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