Ancient Church Hidden in Turkish Lake. And a Pagan Temple May Lie Beneath It.

[Papastratosels26]

Sumella monastery in Turkey



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[İrle]

Allahu Akbar. I'm so happy.

[Selurong]

Interesting how you as a Catholic (I used to be) are open to this. Im telling people all religions are syncretic. There is also lots of symbology.

Christians have an inconsistent approach to incorporating native cultures or religions they encounter. Sometimes, they burn and destroy native temples as what happened to some Aztec temples in Tenochtilan or what the Spanish did when they burned a Mosque here during the Castilian War.

Or they could simply do what they did in the Great Pyramid of Cholula where they built a Chapel over an Aztec temple.

But theyre not nearly as much fanatical Iconoclasts as the Muslims who literally destroyed all the native images they encounter as "Idols".

Whereas sometimes, Christians may destroy an idol or so, and, at other times, subsume a Pagan goddess as an aspect of the Virgin Mary or turn local dieties and legendary heroes into Saints like with Ilya Muromets who's hagriography combines older Pagan Rus legends with Orthodox spirituality.

Personally, I prefer being Christian in this context since I get to absorb a new better paradign without totally abandoning the redeeming aspects of my ancestral worship. Although some, which are irideemably heathen, need to be discarded though.



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[Dragoon]

Christians have an inconsistent approach to incorporating native cultures or religions they encounter. Sometimes, they burn and destroy native temples as what happened to some Aztec temples in Tenochtilan or what the Spanish did when they burned a Mosque here during the Castilian War.

Or they could simply do what they did in the Great Pyramid of Cholula where they built a Chapel over an Aztec temple.

But theyre not nearly as much fanatical Iconoclasts as the Muslims who literally destroyed all the native images they encounter as "Idols".

Whereas sometimes, Christians may destroy an idol or so, and, at other times, subsume a Pagan goddess as an aspect of the Virgin Mary or turn local dieties and legendary heroes into Saints like with Ilya Muromets who's hagriography combines older Pagan Rus legends with Orthodox spirituality.

Personally, I prefer being Christian in this context since I get to absorb a new better paradign without totally abandoning the redeeming aspects of my ancestral worship. Although some, which are irideemably heathen, need to be discarded though.

Nothing wrong with that. Pagans should try to learn the influence in Christianity and still in Western world.

Sunday = Sun, Sol, Helio,
Monday = Moon, Luna, Selene
Tuesday = Mars, Ares, Tyr
etc.

[Selurong]

Sumella monastery in Turkey



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Beautiful!

Christianity itself is a Syncretist religion. We worship a Hebrew Man-God, Yeshua, who was considered the incarnation of the Greek Logos (A Philosophical Neoplatonic term for "Ordering Principle of the Universe"), hence, why Christ is also called by the Greek letters... Alpha and Omega, meaning the first and the last, and that the Christian religion was spread in the Roman Empire. And Hebrew culture during the time of Christ, itself has roots with the Canaanite, Babylonian, Persian and Egyptian cultures that once interacted with ancient Israel.

So, Christianity is also affected by this.

Christianity is basically Greco-Roman Philosophy fused with Jewish Theology, which flowered quite beautifuly in the Hellenic Byzantine Empire.

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[Selurong]

Nothing wrong with that. Pagans should try to learn the influence in Christianity and still in Western world.

Sunday = Sun, Sol, Helio,
Monday = Moon, Luna, Selene
Tuesday = Mars, Ares, Tyr
etc.

Yes those who revert to Paganism from Christianity should retain the redeeming features of Christianity, sort of like the Pagan version of Mudejar.

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[Selurong]

Allahu Akbar. I'm so happy.

I'm happy too.

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[Selurong]

Not all gods become incorporated into the choir of saints and angels though. Some gods outright become demons in Christianity, one of my favorite demons is Astoreth.







I like his history. First she was the Babylonian Goddess Ishtar, Goddess of Justice, then She is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in the forms Ashtoreth (singular) and Ashtaroth (plural, in reference to multiple statues of her). When the Hebrew Bible was translated to Greek "She" became a "He" because the ending "Roth" is masculine in Greek.

This latter form was directly transliterated in the early Greek and Latin versions of the Bible, where it was less apparent that it had been a plural feminine in Hebrew.

He was then for a brief while considered as an angel of Elohim.

The pseudepigraphal work "Testament of Solomon", attributed to King Solomon of Israel, but thought to date to the early centuries CE, mentions "Asteraoth" (in Greek) as an angel, who is opposed to the demon of power (cf.1 Kings11:4–5).

Then he became outright demon for hire in The Book of Abramelin, purportedly written in Hebrew circa. 1458, and recurred in most occult grimoires of the following centuries.

The Book of Abramelintells the story of an Egyptian mage named Abraham pronunciation: (ɛ́jbrəham), or Abra-Melin, who taught a system of magic to Abraham of Worms, a Jew in Worms, Germany

Now, she/he as a Babylonian Goddess/Christian demon slash magical slave of Egyptian trained Jewish sorcerers can be invoked to teach you math. Lelz.


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[PHDNM]

Do you think that Notre Dame Cathedral is also built over a Pagan Temple?

It's the case of numerous religious buildings.

Notre-Dame de Paris

It is believed that at the beginning of the Christian era there existed on the site of Notre-Dame a Gallo-Roman pagan temple dedicated to Jupiter (as evidenced by the discovery of the Pillar of the Boatmen, discovered in 1711)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cath%C...-Dame_de_Paris

Pillar of the Boatmen

The Pillar of the Boatmen (French Pilier des nautes) is a square-section stone bas-relief with depictions of several deities, both Gaulish and Roman. Dating to the first quarter of the 1st century CE, it originally stood in a temple in the Gallo-Roman civitas of Lutetia (modern Paris, France) and is one of the earliest pieces of representational Gaulish art to carry a written inscription (Hatt 1952).



The Christian cathedral of St. Etienne was founded by Childebert in 528 AD on the site of the Gallo-Roman temple; Notre-Dame de Paris was in turn built over this in 1163 AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_of_the_Boatmen

[Óttar]

There is a theory that many of the early Christian buildings and such things were build on top of older pagan structures.
Or another theory that they would borrow some ideas from various pagan beliefs, replace, and expand Christianity. Perhaps making converting easier.

It's not a theory. There are many churches built over pagan temples. Santa Maria Sopra Minerva is one of the most famous. There are Mithraic altars found in the basements of many Roman-built churches as well.