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    Quote Originally Posted by Agyullámtörő View Post
    No because Slavs aren't indigenous in Balkans, I2 was a haplogroups of thracians, illyrians, albanians. I2 isn't slavic marker:

    "The high concentration of I2a1b-L621 in north-east Romania, Moldova and central Ukraine reminds of the maximum spread of the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture (4800-3000 BCE). No Y-DNA sample from this culture has been tested to date, but as it evolved as an offshoot from the Starčevo–Kőrös–Criş culture, it is likely that I2a was one of its main paternal lineages, and a founder effect could have increased considerably its frequency. The Cucuteni-Trypillian culture was the most advanced Neolithic culture in Europe before the Indo-European invasions in the Bronze Age and seems to have had intensive contacts with the Steppe culture before the expansion of Yamna to the Balkans and Central Europe (see histories of R1a and R1b). From 3500 BCE, at the onset of the Yamna period in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, the Cucuteni-Trypillian people started expanding east into the steppe of what is now western Ukraine, leaving their towns (the largest in the world at the time), and adopting an increasingly nomadic lifestyle like their Yamna neighbours. It can easily be imagined that Cucuteni-Trypillian people became assimilated by the Yamna neighbours and that they spread as a minority lineage alongside haplogroups R1a and R1b as they advanced toward the Baltic with the Corded Ware expansion. Alternatively, I2-L621 lineages could have lived in relative isolation from the mainstream Proto-Indo-European society somewhere around Ukraine, Poland or Belarus, then as the centuries and millennia passed, would have blended with the predominantly R1a populations around them. The resulting amalgam would have become the ancestors of the Proto-Slavs."
    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...I2_Y-DNA.shtml
    Slavs have settled to the Balkans in 7-8 century, but the I2 type was already here before them.
    https://eupedia.com/forum/threads/31...avic-expansion


    I2a1b is 18% among Belarusians, 11,7% among Russians and 20,5% in Ukraine. When Illyrians migrated to Ukraine, Belarus and Russia?


    I2a1b2a1 exist in Sweden. When Illyrians migrated to Sweden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    I2 dinaric was never found in SE Europe in any study Made so far, it was only found in mesolithic Sweden, medieval Polish, Russian and Hungarian samples.

    It came with medieval Slavic migrations and it peaks exactly where first south Slavic states Were
    Founded (in dinaric Alps)
    Not true. The Starčevo–Kőrös–Criș culture was 8000-6000 years ago in Balkans and they had I2 marker:
    https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/starcevo_culture.shtml
    This culture wasn't slavic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agyullámtörő View Post
    Not true. The Starčevo–Kőrös–Criș culture was 8000-6000 years ago in Balkans and they had I2 marker:
    https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/starcevo_culture.shtml
    This culture wasn't slavic.
    But that is not type of I2a South Slavs have.

    Our branch is much younger than that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    North Albanians have almost Zero percent I2 dinaric and we have absolutely nothing in common with them genetically.
    Bronze Age Smaples from Croatia belonged to Balkan Type
    Of R1b and J2b2, typical Albanian haplogroups and They Were autosomaly Southern Europeans.
    Lies.
    It seems you and albanians members here try to make all balkans albanian before slavic invasion, this is not true and that j2b2 found was from caucasus autosomally,incompatible with europeans, just as j2b2 comes from.
    An just for your knowdlege, the illyrian skulls found were corded nordic in overwhelming majority everywere except in Northern Albania, impossible to plotted with southern europeans and/or albanians, as far as im aware only illyrian sample we had plotted with finns and other north-eastern euros, which is as expected as illyrians were steppe invaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    But that is not type of I2a South Slavs have.

    Our branch is much younger than that one.
    All I2 marker related, and this haplotype was in Balkans before slavs migrated there, or do you think the south slavic I2 is only 1200-1300 years old? Fact: the I2 haplogroup population was assimilated by proto slavs (r1a) and that's why lot of slavic people have I2 marker, but basically this is not a slavic haplogroup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    But that is not type of I2a South Slavs have.

    Our branch is much younger than that one.
    I2 is dacian, thracian, illyrian not slavic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agyullámtörő View Post
    All I2 marker related, and this haplotype was in Balkans before slavs migrated there, or do you think the south slavic I2 is only 1200-1300 years old? Fact: the I2 haplogroup population was assimilated by proto slavs (r1a) and that's why lot of slavic people have I2 marker, but basically this is not a slavic haplogroup.
    If I2a1b2a1 is not Slavic, than I1 is not Germanic.
    Proto-Slavs were created from the contact of R1a-M458, R1a-Z280 and I2a1b2a1 in Polesia (Belarus). Before that contact R1a-M458/Z280 were not Slavs.
    Germanic peoplewere created from the contact of R1b-U106 and I1.

    Ethno-genesis og proto-Slavs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    OMG

    Cucuteni-zrypllians Had no I2 dinaric but G2a, there was study about them already.
    And I speak only about dinaric branch which is Slavic.

    Btw that article also mention it is Slavic, why don't you read it to the end ?
    spill the beans for us, Agyullámtörő is Stears, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    If I2a1b2a1 is not Slavic, than I1 is not Germanic.
    Proto-Slavs were created in the contact of R1a-M458, R1a-Z280 and I2a1b2a1. Before that contact R1a-M458/Z280 were not Slavs.
    Germanic peoplewere created from the contact of R1b-U106 and I1.

    Ethno-genesis og proto-Slavs
    Can you say exact times when these contacts happened?

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