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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    America had almost no Catholics until they flooded our country en masse starting in the mid-1800s.
    In 1900 you had 76 million people, that included 12 million Roman Catholics of whom almost 2 million were Poles (source: Wacław Kruszka, "A History of the Poles in America to 1908").

    I'm pretty sure you had some Catholics even already back in the 1600s.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    Apparently Russia acquired Estonia and part of Latvia between 1719 and 1762.
    But Estonia and Latvia are mostly Protestant, could those areas have so many Catholics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    In 1900 you had 76 million people, that included 12 million Roman Catholics of whom almost 2 million were Poles (source: Wacław Kruszka, "A History of the Poles in America to 1908").

    I'm pretty sure you had some Catholics even already back in the 1600s.
    Some, but nothing significant until the Irishmen started coming in the 1840s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    Some, but nothing significant until the Irishmen started coming in the 1840s.
    You had between 2% and 7% of Irish and French already back in 1790.

    I'm sure that there could also be some Catholic Germans, Scottish, etc.

    Ethnic groups of the USA in year 1790 (two different estimates):

    1. According to S. P. Orth ("Our Foreigners: A Chronicle of Americans in the Making"):

    Total white population: 80.73%, including:

    English & Welsh - 66.31%
    Scottish - 5.64%
    Irish - 1.57%
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    Total British-Irish - 73.52%
    ============
    Germans - 4.47%
    Dutch - 2.01%
    French - 0.45%
    other whites - 0.29%

    2. A. Lavender ("US Ethnic Groups in 1790: Given Names as Suggestions of Ethnic Identity"):

    Total white population: 81%, including:

    English - 48.00%
    Welsh - 3.50%
    Scottish & Scots-Irish - 12.80%
    Irish - 4.70%
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    Total British-Irish - 69.00%
    ============
    Germans - 7.20%
    Dutch - 2.50%
    French - 1.70%
    Jews - 0.25%
    Swedes - 0.20%
    other whites - 0.15%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Before 1720 there were NO Catholics in Russia at all, except for several hundreds.

    But several hundreds is like nothing compared to the total population of 14 million.
    What is the percentage of Russian Catholics today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    You had between 2% and 7% of Irish and French already back in 1790.
    A lot of those were Scotch-Irish and Huguenots, thus Protestant, not Catholic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    I'm sure that there could also be some Catholic German, Scottish, etc.
    Very few of them came to the colonies. They knew that they weren't wanted here, so they mostly stayed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Catholics from Russia were always not ethnically Russian.

    Because all of Catholics were annexed by Russia during its 18th-19th century expansion into ethnically Non-Russian lands. So you might want to find out what was their ethnicity. Polish and Lithuanian is very probable, Latvian and German less (most of Latvians and Russian Germans were Protestants).
    Well they were from a region that was formerly part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Well they were from a region that was formerly part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
    Do you know their surnames or from which region they were?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Do you know their surnames?
    I don't remember, they were Americanized. I know my great grandpa called himself a Russian though.

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    They were from Volhynia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I know my great grandpa called himself a Russian though.
    Very doubtful that he was a Roman Catholic Russian, but why would he call himself as such. I know only one similar example of a Pole who called himself Russian, Count Stanisław Szczęsny Potocki.

    In 1795 he said: "I will speak no more of the former Poland and the Poles. That country and that name are no more, as with so many others it has perished in the world's history. I am now a Russian forever. (...)"

    Before that, in 1792, he said: "Each true Pole, not blinded by the Prussian and royalist cabal, is convinced, that our Fatherland can only be saved by Russia, otherwise our nation will be enslaved".

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    They were from Volhynia
    Poles were the main Roman Catholic group in Volhynia. There were also some Czechs.

    If you know which town(s) or village(s) in Volhynia they were from, this can also be helpful for establishing their ethnicity, considering that many settlements were dominated by just one ethnic group.
    Last edited by Peterski; 09-08-2018 at 09:04 PM.

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