Moroccan Amazigh Ancestry DNA Results

[Drygva]

[Gründig]

[Marmara]

Georgians are White, it's official

[Chaos One]

Georgians are White, it's official

HAHAHAHA I was going to say that. Nice to know that people from Dagestan and all North Caucasus are officially white. I'm happy.

[Leto]

Yeah, but I doubt someone at street would say Zinedine Zidane isn't white by pure looking, for example.

Most Coastal Berbers pass as white until asked. Mostly because 99% think white is all about colour skin, not ethnical heritage. If your skin is white, you're white.

Of course that don't apply if you're brown skinned like most North Africans.

I don't think MOST coastal Berbers look white either. France is full of Algerian and Tunisian Berbers and they don't pass as white in the vast majority of cases. Those countries are like 20% SSA on average and also have a lot of 'Red Sea' admixture.

[Leto]

HAHAHAHA I was going to say that. Nice to know that people from Dagestan and all North Caucasus are officially white. I'm happy.

Dagestan is way lighter than any place in North Africa. Georgia is too, which is by the way a predominantly Orthodox Christian (hence Byzantine-influenced) country.

[Chaos One]

I don't think MOST coastal Berbers look white either. France is full of Algerian and Tunisian Berbers and they don't pass as white in the vast majority of cases. Those countries are like 20% SSA on average and also have a lot of 'Red Sea' admixture.

Well, I can't say if most or not overall speaking. I mean, it's hard to say how much of those immigrants are in fact Berbers and how much of them are in fact Coastal Berbers. IMO the majority aren't Berbers per se, but people with North African/Red Sea/SSA mix - which people tend to call Arabized Berbers. People with full Kabylie/Riffian background are somewhat rare to find even in Morocco/Algeria. And well, Tunisia hardly has Berbers overall speaking, so most of them in Europe are typical "Arabized Berbers" - those with influential SSA/Red Sea.

Then, I would dare to say Moroccans/Algerians/Tunisians with 20%+ SSA can't fit as Coastal Berbers at all - they can be Soussa or Zenaga for example (hardly), but tend to be Arabized Berbers/Common people. And yes, they are the bulk of NA immigration.

[Chaos One]

Dagestan is way lighter than any place in North Africa. Georgia is too, which is by the way a predominantly Orthodox Christian (hence Byzantine-influenced) country.

I agree, but most people in TA will disagree. I'm not that radical about what's white or not. Heck, I'm not even white.

[Leto]

Well, I can't say if most or not overall speaking. I mean, it's hard to say how much of those immigrants are in fact Berbers and how much of them are in fact Coastal Berbers. IMO the majority aren't Berbers per se, but people with North African/Red Sea/SSA mix - which people tend to call Arabized Berbers. People with full Kabylie/Riffian background are somewhat rare to find even in Morocco/Algeria. And well, Tunisia hardly has Berbers overall speaking, so most of them in Europe are typical "Arabized Berbers" - those with influential SSA/Red Sea.

Then, I would dare to say Moroccans/Algerians/Tunisians with 20%+ SSA can't fit as Coastal Berbers at all - they can be Soussa or Zenaga for example (hardly), but tend to be Arabized Berbers/Common people. And yes, they are the bulk of NA immigration.

ALL results from Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria I have seen on the net had a double digit amount of African. There was a guy here, AtlantoMediterranean or something like that, his GEDmatch results are all over the place. He is half Moroccan and half Belgian I think and around 10% SSA.

[Leto]

I agree, but most people in TA will disagree. I'm not that radical about what's white or not. Heck, I'm not even white.

Disagree with what? The fact that the Caucasus is lighter than North Africa? It's rather an open-and-shut issue, in my opinion.