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    Quote Originally Posted by Magister Eckhart View Post
    And my claim of it being the invention of the sodomite press are proven.
    The sodomite press? You Americans never seize to impress me with your understanding of reality.

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    Even if he was gay(which is not evidenced), but even so why would it be a big deal? Ancient history is already rife with tales of homosexuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis24 View Post
    Even if he was gay(which is not evidenced), but even so why would it be a big deal? Ancient history is already rife with tales of homosexuality.
    The real issue here is the attempt by the press to twist the facts to create more "evidence" that strange and abnormal sexual practises are somehow acceptable and sodomites are therefore entitled to some kind of "rights".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magister Eckhart View Post
    The real issue here is the attempt by the press to twist the facts to create more "evidence" that strange and abnormal sexual practises are somehow acceptable and sodomites are therefore entitled to some kind of "rights".
    The article may have been poorly written but so are most articles outside the scientific press.
    But, you are not in any position to judge the acceptance or not of sexual practices thousands of years ago.

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    "First homosexual caveman found"

    Was he English ?

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    French, probably.

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    Good man !

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    Gay caveman probably not gay or a caveman

    Sometime between 2,900 and 2,500 B.C., a Copper Age farming community in what would become the outskirts of Prague buried one of its own, observing the rites reserved for women: head facing east, body surrounded by domestic jugs.
    The grave amazed Czech archeologists. The skeleton, they believe, is that of a he, not a she: a man apparently buried not like other men — head facing west, cache of weapons — but like a woman. This suggests prehistoric humans acknowledging, even accepting, sexual identities other than what we understand as straight male and female, at least according to the research team’s controversial hypothesis.
    “We know that people from this period took funeral rites very seriously, so it is highly unlikely that this positioning was a mistake,” said lead archaeologist Kamila Remisova Vesinova this past week. “Far more likely is that he was a man with a different sexual orientation — homosexual or transsexual.”

    Once British newspapers got their hands on the quote, they dumbed it down to the hilarious phrase “gay caveman.” More hilarity ensued in coverage online, because the idea of a gay caveman clashes, with comedic possibilities, against the macho, bedraggled caricature of a European stone-age hunter-gatherer.
    More seriously, the find represented a potential milestone for those who want to see irrefutable scientific proof that sexual diversity is inextricably woven into the biological fabric of humanity. If homosexuality and non-dual genders have been with our species forever, the reasoning goes, it bolsters the argument that they are simply part of who we are.

    From research that purports to show differences between the brains of gay and straight people — which prompted similar hoopla over work by British neuroscientist Simon LeVay — to studies of same-sex orientation in the animal kingdom, the past 20 years has seen a flourishing of research that seems to suggest homosexuality and transsexuality have biological origins.
    “Why are people so interested in showing that sexual orientation has a biological basis? Because if it has a biological basis then it can’t be changed, and therefore to discriminate against people for something that they can’t change is wrong,” said Margaret Schneider, an expert on sexual orientation, gender, and gender variance at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education at the University of Toronto.

    Every piece of evidence that suggests nature makes us differently helps bolster gay, lesbian and transgender rights, she said. When people believe sexual diversity is natural, she added, homophobia recedes as a cultural force. “The science becomes a political tool.”
    There are, however, problems with using the Prague burial to support the idea of innate homosexuality (or transsexuality.) Researchers in the field were quick to respond to the findings, suggesting the “gay caveman” was neither gay, nor even a caveman.
    There are questions archaeology is at a loss to answer, including how a man who has been dead for five millennia would have understood his own gender or where he would locate himself on Alfred Kinsey’s one-to-seven scale of heterosexual-to-homosexual orientation.

    There is also the problem of the biological gender of the Prague skeleton, which some researchers have doubted was male to begin with. Rosemary Joyce, an anthropologist at the University of California, Berkeley, noted some female skeletons can appear male. As well, she wrote on her blog: “There is the question of intersexed individuals,” which she chides the Czech researchers for not considering. The Intersex Society of North America estimates 1% of people are born with bodies that differ from standard male or female.
    The “caveman” part is just plain wrong, meanwhile. As University of Wisconsin anthropologist John Hawks wrote on his blog, “Corded Ware [people] are pre-Bronze Age farmers, not anywhere near cavemen.”
    In an email to the Post, Prof. Joyce also noted that a “gay caveman,” if we were to find one, would not be so groundbreaking anyway. Diversity of orientation and sexual identity is already part of anthropology’s picture of the past.

    “There is now a wide range of anthropologists who accept or actively argue for sexual variability being normal, not something especially new or modern. Texts tell us this as far back as writing exists — well into the 2,000 to 4,000 B.C. time period,” wrote the author of Ancient Bodies, Ancient Lives: Sex, Gender and Archaeology.
    “Anthropologists who study our closest primate relatives — chimpanzees — point out that bonobos have quite varied sexual relationships, so it is not possible to argue that we inherited monogamy,” Prof. Joyce continued. “The entire topic is quite a serious scholarly one. Which is why we [anthropologists] hate the gay caveman article so much. It is not taking the topic seriously.”

    All of these concepts are left for individuals to make sense of. And ambiguity and sexuality go hand in hand. Our ancient friend may have been as puzzling to some of his peers as he is to us. One can imagine villagers turning to another at the conclusion of the burial ceremony and asking, “Well — was he or wasn’t he?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    First homosexual caveman found

    Archaeologists have unearthed the 5,000-year-old remains of what they believe may have been the world's oldest known gay caveman.




    The male body – said to date back to between 2900-2500BC – was discovered buried in a way normally reserved only for women of the Corded Ware culture in the Copper Age.

    "Far more likely is that he was a man with a different sexual orientation, homosexual or transsexual," she added...

    "But this later discovery was neither of those, leading us to believe the man was probably homosexual or transsexual," Semeradova said...

    The Telegraph

    Some imagination. More likely not the Conan type.

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