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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Avar khaganate was destroyed by Franks, and of story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avar_Khaganate#Collapse

    Tell me, are Tuga, Vuga, Muhlo, Kluk, Lovel and Kosen are slavic names?
    These are names of members of Croatian ruling family from Pannonia in 7th century. To me these name sounds non-Slavic.
    This is interesting. I thought it was the Croats who destroyed the Avars.

    Charlemagne stomped everything and people took the opportunity to ally with him in order to vanquish their enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Some Bulgarians plot very close to Albanians, just slightly more eastwards, like the FYROM-"Slavs". A number of them are Slavic by haplotype origin, but already mixed for a long time.

    Seen a good number of Albanians plot north-west of these two "Slavic" nations.
    Slavic genes are present even among Albanians, especially those from Montenegro. As well as some Goth ancestry from barbarian ages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run-time View Post
    Serbia remains Serbia thanks to several hundred thousands of dead Russians.
    When exactly they died? Can you be more precise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    Slavic genes are present even among Albanians, especially those from Montenegro. As well as some Goth ancestry from barbarian ages
    Perhaps maternally in north. Patrilineally in south.

    Still minority %.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    I tough only Baltid looking people in Croatia are Slavic. Because that is how my father teached me. It is average stereotype here. So you can see, in which darkness about their roots live many Southern Slavs.

    I want to change that stupid perception.
    Baltid is just a phenotype, and i don't believe that always phenotype reflects the origin. According to Eastern Euro members from Balto-Slavica anthro forum, i am western looking, although my autosomal DNA is from Poland-Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Avar khaganate was destroyed by Franks, and of story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avar_Khaganate#Collapse

    Tell me, are Tuga, Vuga, Muhlo, Kluk, Lovel and Kosen Slavic names?
    These are names of members of Croatian ruling family from Pannonia in 7th century. To me these name sounds non-Slavic.
    I never claimed we destroy the Khaganate, just that we defeated Avars that were in Dalmatia.

    These names sound weird, but they are these:
    Kloukas and Lobelos and Kosentzis and Mouchlo and Chrobatos, and two sisters, Touga and Bouga
    Some historians connect Buga to Bug river in Ukraine, but it is just a hypotesis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run-time View Post
    Serbia remains Serbia thanks to several hundred thousands of dead Russians.
    No Krivich.
    Russian imperialistic geopolitical goals in 19th and early 20th century in the Balkans and Caucasus brought dead to millions of Russians.
    Russians were obsessed with Constantinople for many centuries. They wanted to took Istanbul (Constantinople) because of restauration of Orthodox Byzantine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Bulgarians are mostly natives with slight Slavic input varying through regions, confused with a Turkic name according to most of them.
    We take pride in our ancestors, they created several states including modern day Bulgaria. Also they consisted of several tribes, anthropologically they were Indo-european, not Mongol.
    Many Roman sources used the term Bulgars as synonym of Huns as they were part of the Hunnic confederation tribes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    When exactly they died? Can you be more precise?
    The main-the Turkish war about 15 thousand dead. The first world war. Serbia started a war and dragged Russia there - several hundred thousand dead Russian soldiers. World war II-the liberation of Serbia, also thousands of dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Perhaps maternally in north. Patrilineally in south.

    Still minority %.
    In Ghegs it was really only the ones from Malesi(Montenegro part usually) that had closer relations with Montenegro and some intermarriages with Montenegrin clans. The other regions of the north such as Dukagjini, Puka, Mirdita etc didn't really have contact with the Montenegrins and so I highly doubt they intermarried. Although it is true though that when the Malsors intermarried with Montenegrins, it was usually them taking Montenegrin wives. As you said Slavic input in Albanians is minimal in terms of genetics
    23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results

    MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe

    Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian

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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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