Origins of the House of Arpad - III. King Bela's Bones

[blogen]

Nah, I read something about the arpa word. It's complicated, because we have two possible origin:

1. From an East Asian form, because the word is widespread from the Turks to Japan (Jap. àpá, Mong. arbaj, Manc. arpa, etc.).
2. From an old Iranian arbusW word (barley)
3. Or the East Asian form origin from the Old Iranian (the transmitters were the Andronovo peoples to Inner Asia with lot of other inventions) and Turkic from an common East Asian form.

[Böri]

That's Almos-Arpad dynasty. His father's name is Almish. Almak is a verb and means 'To Take' in virtually all Turkic languages. Almiş means Taken One.

[indo-uralopean]

Those are some big ass skulls. Something I've noticed in Turks of old.

[blogen]

That's Almos-Arpad dynasty. His father's name is Almish. Almak is a verb and means 'To Take' in virtually all Turkic languages. Almiş means Taken One.

Idiot. Álmos is a clear Magyar name from the álom (dream) word. His mother (Emese = mother/ancestress) had a dream about him:

"A Hungarian legend tells the story of Emese, wife of Ügyek the descendant of Atilla, who once had a dream in which a Turul appeared to her. In this dream, a crystal-clear stream started to flow from her, and as it moved Westward, it grew into a mighty river. This dream represented her symbolic impregnation by the Turul, and meant that she would give birth to a line of great rulers. Emese later gave birth to Álmos, who was the father of Árpád, the great leader of the Magyars and founder of Hungary. This story reaffirms the Hun-Magyar kinship, and the knowledge that the Magyars reconquered Hungary as their rightful inheritance from Atilla's great Hun Empire."



This is a version of an Iranian legend about the origin of the Khozerzmian kings. Emese was Anahita in the original Iranian legend.



Interesting, but this is not the only similarity in the Árpád-house's legends with the Khorezmian legends and history.

[Böri]

Idiot. Álmos is a clear Magyar name from the álom (dream) word. His mother (Emese = mother/ancestress) had a dream about him:

Cuck it's not me who pretends that, actually most historians do incl. Hungarian historians like Andras Ronatas and co. According to them your story is more like a wish. It was Almish they say. Anyway, that's not my ambition in life to make accept that or so, which would be funny. Just a sides note, w/o not caring much about.

As another side note, Father of the Seljuks of Rum was Kutalmish (Kut Almish), meaning 'He who took kut (heavenly mandate)' btw... Which would mean, similar to Almos original name.

[blogen]

Cuck it's not me who pretends that, actually most historians do incl. Hungarian historians like Andras Ronatas and co. According to them your story is more like a wish. It was Almish they say. Anyway, that's not my ambition in life to make accept that or so, which would be funny. Just a sides note, w/o not caring much about.

As another side note, Father of the Seljuks of Rum was Kutalmish (Kut Almish), meaning 'He who took kut (heavenly mandate)' btw... Which would mean, similar to Almos original name.

Do not lie about the Hungarian historians! Every Hungarian laughing on you retard, after this Almish bullshit, because all of the important names in the Emese/Álmos legend are similar: from the attribution of origin!

Ügyek from the üdv magyar word, means: blissful (ancestor)
Emese from the ene magyar word, means: mother (ancestress)
Álmos from the álom magyar word, means: dream

The Álmos - Almish is accidental, because of this. Only a non Hungarian speaker starts lunatic etymologization in this case!

It's a typical legend with mythical persons. Hovewer, these persons lived once. We don't know their actual name, except Álmos, because this was a historical name, but his fathers and mothers name are not. The father was a Magyar leader, while the mother was presumably a Kabar princess (the Kabars were exiled Khorezmians) and this was the reason of the lot of similarities in the Árpád-house legends and the Khoresmian legends and history. Basically the ancestral legend of the Árpád-house was Emese heritage from Khorezm with a little actualization to the new situation. Presumably she was an ambitiosus women in a good time and place, since the Magyars arise then and conquered the South Russian steppe (Etelköz = Subbotci culture).

[Böri]

Do not lie about the Hungarian historians! Every Hungarian laughing on you retard, after this Almish bullshit, because all of the important names in the Emese/Álmos legend are similar: from the attribution of origin!

Ügyek from the üdv magyar word, means: blissful (ancestor)
Emese from the ene magyar word, means: mother (ancestress)
Álmos from the álom magyar word, means: dream

The Álmos - Almish is accidental, because of this. Only a non Hungarian speaker starts lunatic etymologization in this case!

It's a typical legend with mythical persons. Hovewer, these persons lived once. We don't know their actual name, except Álmos, because this was a historical name, but his fathers and mothers name are not. The father was a Magyar leader, while the mother was presumably a Kabar princess (the Kabars were exiled Khorezmians) and this was the reason of the lot of similarities in the Árpád-house legends and the Khoresmian legends and history. Basically the ancestral legend of the Árpád-house was Emese heritage from Khorezm with a little actualization to the new situation. Presumably she was an ambitiosus women in a good time and place, since the Magyars arise then and conquered the South Russian steppe (Etelköz = Subbotci culture).

You explain your problem not to me, explain them to historians.
There is one particular one, a Hungarian one name Ronatas who pretended that.


Hungarians and Europe in Early middle ages: An Introduction to Early Hungarian History
Andras Ronatas

The Almush form which circulated at large was the extension by the publisher of the Arab text. Comparison with Turkic data effectively narrows the reading down to Almish. Its literal meaning is ‘the taken’ from al- and ‘to take’. The expression el almish ‘to take or acquire an empire’ also occurs as a Turkic name (read as II almish). The only remaining problem regarding the Bulghar name has since been solved, since in a Chuvash-type language the Common Turkic /sh/ phoneme should regularly correspond to /1/. Hence, the *Almil form should be expected. But there is no III in the modern Chuvash form of the Turkic word jemish ‘fruit’. Instead there is /sy/, and the word has the form syimesy. The Chuvash form and the Hungarian gyiimolcs ‘fruit’ derive via an intermediate form *jemich from the form *jemish. Whether the name contained Almich or Almish, the Arab author wrote it as Almish.

226

Relatives and neighbours

The name of Almos, father of Arpad, occurs in two mutually independent sources: as Almuch (Almouts) in Porphyrogenitus and Almush in the Hungarian chronicler Anonymous. The name later occurs with Prince Almos, brother o f King Coloman (died in 1127), and so it was certainly a living name in the house of Arpad. It is, of course, quite impossible to conceive of a relation between the Volga Bulghar ruler, even via legend, and the ancestor of the Magyar house of Arpad. The name Almish was known on the Eastern European steppe, however. Anonymous’s explanation that the name o f Almos derives from the Magyar word alom, ‘dream ’, is a folk etymological invention typical of the Nameless One. Not a single vowel of the name of the Volga Bulghar ruler’s father is given. The initial sh- is highly suggestive, however. Whatever the reading of the word is (and the first syllable can only be i or long a), the word is Chuvash-type.

That's not me who pretends it, understand fucker?
I don't give any flying heck, that said.
That's anthro forum and people talk history. It's just that.

I wouldn't lose my sleeping habit even if the name of someone who lived 1200 years ago somewhere in east central Europe wasn't just as I thought.
However if that's different with you and reading this makes you lose your somnolence, that's pretty much different issue and your own problem.

[Proto-Shaman]

Nah, I read something about the arpa word. It's complicated, because we have two possible origin:

1. From an East Asian form, because the word is widespread from the Turks to Japan (Jap. àpá, Mong. arbaj, Manc. arpa, etc.).
2. From an old Iranian arbusW word (barley)
3. Or the East Asian form origin from the Old Iranian (the transmitters were the Andronovo peoples to Inner Asia with lot of other inventions) and Turkic from an common East Asian form.

Can you stop your Persian propaganda please? here is everything you need to know about this purely Turkic word: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/arpa#Etymology_6

From Proto-Turkic *arpa (“barley”), cognate with Old Turkic [script needed] (arpa, “barley”), which, according to the controversial Altaic hypothesis, is possibly from Proto-Altaic *àrp`á (“barley, millet”). Possible relation with Ancient Greek ἄλφιτον (álphiton, “barley-groats”).
The Turkic form is sometimes compared with Proto-Iranian *arba- (corresponding to Greek ἄλφιτον), cf. East Iranian forms going back to *arpasyā- (or *arbasyā), but it is not identical (loss of the final syllable is hard to explain). Within Iranian, the word is not found oustide East Iranian (Stachowski). While Blažek (2012) prefers an Indo-European (Iranian) origin of the Altaic words for ‘barley’, Hyllestedt argues that several facts do point to a borrowing in the reverse direction. Starostin argues that the Proto-Japonic parallel *àpá (“millet”) (compare Japanese 粟 (awa, “foxtail millet”)) is a strong argument in favour of the Altaic origin of the Turkic form.
Hyllested suggests an additional connection to some kind of root word for ‘witchcraft’, hence comparing Hittite [script needed] (alpant-, “being bewitched, affected by sorcer”) and Turkic arba ("perform magic, bewitching, tell fortunes"). A form *arpa also occurs in Uralic word for ‘witchcraft’. Hyllestedt further emphasizes that we are dealing either with an Altaic agricultural term of great age or an extra-Indo-European origin.

[Yaglakar]

There is evidence for every single one you old fart.
When we say Arpad was Khazar (of the Kabar faction) or Subotai Baghatur was Turkic, that's because there is historical record.
It's not like Greeks appropriating their Italic, Latin Roman invaders and pretending to them.

Subutai, the best ever military commander of all times (Korea to Croatia, Vietnam border until Moscow), was no Mongol but Tuvinian.

500 Great Military Leaders
by Spencer C. Tucker

Stop stealing Mongol history. There was no Tuvan "ethnicity" in 13th century. Tuvans absorbed Mongols, and descendants of Urianhay within modern Tuvans still speak Mongol. Todays Tuvans are essentially a Turkic speaking people who are part of the Mongolic cultural world. Urianhay, Sübügätäi, baghatur (not Turkic batur) are etymologically Mongol.

[Yaglakar]

Nah, I read something about the arpa word. It's complicated, because we have two possible origin:

1. From an East Asian form, because the word is widespread from the Turks to Japan (Jap. àpá, Mong. arbaj, Manc. arpa, etc.).
2. From an old Iranian arbusW word (barley)
3. Or the East Asian form origin from the Old Iranian (the transmitters were the Andronovo peoples to Inner Asia with lot of other inventions) and Turkic from an common East Asian form.

Good summary, but his name was neither Arbad nor Arpasyad, the etymological origin of Arpad is Turkic in the end. Barley was an important horse feed, especially during bad winters. and Almos is a derivative of Almish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alm%C4%B1%C5%9F
+
old Türk title el almish saŋun. Almish = conquerer, caretaker, not "bought one" like wiki claims.

Does not mean they were of Turkic origin though. Some Russians carrying Greek names does not make them Greek.