Populations and who they are closest to genetically (Global 25)

[Percivalle]

Yes, everybody could check it. Individual samples are provided in second spreadsheet.

Indeed.

There is also Cretan average based on 3 samples. Greek Anatolians based on 3 and Greek Trabzon (9) . I'm really curious from what source he took those last two groups. Is there is any study regarding Anatolian Greeks? I had them in my K36 Ancestral Report dataset but from Gedmatch, provided by Turkish user who made averages for all Turkish regions. But would be interestoing to confront them with academic samples.

Yes, Cretan average on three samples. Lukas, ask Onur Dincer. He should know what is the source of Greek Anatolians.

I think there have been studies in the past on the Greeks of Anatolia. I remember seeing them mentioned in some old paper. I try to remember which study it is and send you a message.

He's got 12 samples from some people (who he can't know if their distant ancestors migrated from somewhere else) and he thinks he got the whole picture...
The DNA of people is not the same in whole country but that doesn't mean I am less Macedonian.
He needs way more samples to make an average not just 12 samples.
And I don't need this global crap to know what I am.

I'm glad you know what you're. Not only this sample, but also many other academic samples may be inaccurate. The Tuscan average on G25 is based on a sample of individuals who have 3 out of 4 grandparents born in Tuscany. Just as one example.

And certainly those from around Thessaloniki are not closer to Tuscans than to their neighbors.
If the remaining 5 samples are from Crete for example than the Greek average is not based on Northern Greeks from Thessaloniki.
That's a fact!

In the spreadsheet is clearly reported that 14 out of 19 belong to GREEKGRALPOP sample from Thessaloniki. The remaining 5 samples are not from Crete. Crete has its own average. Of course Thessaloniki should not be closer to Tuscans, being the latter are clearly more western. But not my fault.

[Sikeliot]

In the spreadsheet is clearly reported that 14 out of 19 belong to GREEKGRALPOP sample from Thessaloniki. The remaining 5 samples are not from Crete. Crete has its own average. Of course Thessaloniki should not be closer to Tuscans, being the latter are clearly more western. But not my fault.

They came up closer to Albanian first actually, then Tuscan. Only after those, did we start seeing Balkan Slavs and southern Italians.

[Percivalle]

All of mainland Greece is fairly similar except for Athens and a few isolated regions in the Peloponnese.

Agreed.

Greek Anatolians based on 3 and Greek Trabzon (9) .

Looking at their names on the spreadsheet, they do not correspond to anything used in the studies. Could be these samples provided by some private user? But 9 individuals for Greek_Trabzon are too many for being provided by some user.

Greek_Central_Anatolia:G25001

Greek_Trabzon:G25001

[Lucas]

Agreed.




Looking at their names on the spreadsheet, they do not correspond to anything used in the studies. Could be these samples provided by some private user? But 9 individuals for Greek_Trabzon are too many for being provided by some user.

Greek_Central_Anatolia:G25001

Greek_Trabzon:G25001

Yes, I have the same number of Anatolian Greek samples when I checked now in spreadsheet. So it must be the same private source.

[Karol Klačansky]

Can you do slovakia and the Czech Republic?

[Karol Klačansky]

My Global 25 results

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Yamnaya_Samara Armenia_EBA Tepecik_Ciftlik_N Barcin_N
15.77157 20.73201 21.05917 21.98810
Levant_N WHG Ganj_Dareh_N Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
22.36109 31.70959 33.33786 38.09677

Karol scaled
Yamnaya_Samara,46.4
Barcin_N,36.4
WHG,17.2

now with modern populations included
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Slovakian Czech Slavic_Bohemia Polish Hungarian German
2.354768 3.364584 3.818326 3.893108 4.006113 4.036149
Swedish Poprad
4.041298 4.185271

Karol_scaled

Slovakian,47.2
Cossack_Kuban,19.4
Poprad,17.6
Petrovka_MLBA,5.4
Sweden_MN,4.6
Iron_Gates_HG,3
Hungary_LCA,1.8
Blatterhole_HG,0.8
Anc_Finn,0.2

First calculator to accurately detect my slovak ancestry, though I dont understand how im closer related to germans or poles than the sample from Poprad? (what kind of sample is that?)

PCAS



Overall the Calc looks pretty dang accurate and the PCAs represent my ancestry really well. I really like also how he created a PCA for just northern europeans as well really allows one to see detail. PCAs including especially MENA populations on it are pointless for me and totally distort my placement on PCAs.

[Karol Klačansky]

My Global 25 results

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Yamnaya_Samara Armenia_EBA Tepecik_Ciftlik_N Barcin_N
15.77157 20.73201 21.05917 21.98810
Levant_N WHG Ganj_Dareh_N Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
22.36109 31.70959 33.33786 38.09677

Karol scaled
Yamnaya_Samara,46.4
Barcin_N,36.4
WHG,17.2

now with modern populations included
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Slovakian Czech Slavic_Bohemia Polish Hungarian German
2.354768 3.364584 3.818326 3.893108 4.006113 4.036149
Swedish Poprad
4.041298 4.185271

Karol_scaled

Slovakian,47.2
Cossack_Kuban,19.4
Poprad,17.6
Petrovka_MLBA,5.4
Sweden_MN,4.6
Iron_Gates_HG,3
Hungary_LCA,1.8
Blatterhole_HG,0.8
Anc_Finn,0.2

First calculator to accurately detect my slovak ancestry, though I dont understand how im closer related to germans or poles than the sample from Poprad? (what kind of sample is that?)

PCAS



Overall the Calc looks pretty dang accurate and the PCAs represent my ancestry really well. I really like also how he created a PCA for just northern europeans as well really allows one to see detail. PCAs including especially MENA populations on it are pointless for me and totally distort my placement on PCAs.

Also everyone mentions how its interesting that Russians plot farther west than Balts but I find it interesting that despite Czechs plot further east than hungarians on average.

[Profileid]

The Pennsylvania Dutch are descended mostly from West/Southwest Germans, Alsatian Germans, and Swiss Germans, and most have about 5-10% British (usually Scottish, then English) admixture.

Despite the name, they have nothing in common with the Tulip Dutch.

stop calling them Dutch

[Astarte]

Could you post the Cypriot average please?

[Lucas]

My Global 25 results


now with modern populations included
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Slovakian Czech Slavic_Bohemia Polish Hungarian German
2.354768 3.364584 3.818326 3.893108 4.006113 4.036149
Swedish Poprad
4.041298 4.185271

Karol_scaled

Slovakian,47.2
Cossack_Kuban,19.4
Poprad,17.6
Petrovka_MLBA,5.4
Sweden_MN,4.6
Iron_Gates_HG,3
Hungary_LCA,1.8
Blatterhole_HG,0.8
Anc_Finn,0.2

First calculator to accurately detect my slovak ancestry, though I dont understand how im closer related to germans or poles than the sample from Poprad? (what kind of sample is that?)

Poprad is also ancient! It is sample from Migration Period find in Poprad, hence the name. But it is Germanic, probably eastern Germanic and maybe Vandal. Second option remnant of Marcomanni?
It is proxy for your Germanic ancestry, not northern Slovak...
Davidski could name it in such way to avoid confusion.