Never forget

[KMack]

Iraq was relatively a progressive society and it had bright future. Iraq also was trying to modernize and move forward. In fact Iraq even started to industrialize, and be self-independent. Thus Iraq was quite envied by it's neighbours. We also had the U.S creating proxy wars among certain ethno-sectarian groups, so Iraq can't be stabilized. The Iraq-Iran war, was also in many ways defense mechanism against Iran's negative influence, but the script was written by Anglo-America. After this 8 year long war, Kuwait does not forgive the debt and it was found taking some of the oil from Iraq. Iraq invades Kuwait, not only to teach it's brother a lesson, but also in hopes of uniting the Arabian peninsula into one nation, something the West does not want to see. This clearly was a trap for Iraq designed by Anglo-America, just before imposing it's sanctions, the U.S did create proxy revolts in both the North and Southern regions, but they ultimately failed. However the sanctions were imposed and it heavily weakened Iraq, and thus chaos ensued. After 2003, the U.S and it's European allies invade, but in fact in the initial stages they were facing defeat, this when George W Bush, did the Surge, sending more troops into Iraq. Iraq was not easily subdued however. The most fierce resistance however came from the Western tribal areas. Again the American and their European allies were almost losing the battle, so they decided to use illegal weapons depleted uranium and white phosphorus, thus it was a hollow and cowardly victory. Iraq regressed rather than progressed with this ill thought invasion. Honestly the Americans were also duped by their media and government at the time, and the money was wasted, instead with that money they could have fixed their healthcare system and the student loan debts but instead they wasted on useless goal. Iraq went from well-functioning society, it a crippled one. Also the people who favored the American invasion, are hanging their heads in shame, deserved fate for traitor scum. I am proud to come from the Western regions for not bowing to any invader and always successfully resisted.

Why we are at it. Lets talk about the 150,000 Iraqi Jews essentially forced out of there after Hitler made his visit. Before that Mongols invaded killed hundreds of thousands, Ottoman rule for centuries, then The British.

[Phenix]

I observed something when discussing politics with Europeans, it's always Eastern Euros (and Brits) going full judeo-american serfs, while Westerners have a more critical opinion about US/NATO wars and try to relate it with the socio-economic changes (like in migrant crisis).
Does this have to do with Eastern Europe being communist rat holes not so long ago, they fear a communist comeback from Russia do bad they are willing to lick Yankees boots at every occasion.

[JosephK]

I observed something when discussing politics with Europeans, it's always Eastern Euros (and Brits) going full judeo-american serfs, while Westerners have a more critical opinion about US/NATO wars and try to relate it with the socio-economic changes (like in migrant crisis).
Does this have to do with Eastern Europe being communist rat holes not so long ago, they fear a communist comeback from Russia do bad they are willing to lick Yankees boots at every occasion.

I've noticed the opposite...

[StonyArabia]

I didn't mean to imply that the majority of Iraqis "supported" the invasion, I wouldn't really know, but I wanted people to know my experience, since it's different than the media likes to promote. But it wasn't "a few people," either... some people genuinely suffered under Saddam. Genuinely.

Of course there some who had suffered, genuinely, but I also can tell you some of them are opportunistic scum who took advantage of the former regime's benefits and turned their back because they wanted to further their own personal and economic goals. However the majority of Iraqis did not favor it. Also that helped the Americans are actually not even Iraqis, but often had ties to outside nations, and if they were Iraqis they often had Western citizenship, meaning they did not care about Iraq. However this why many of these scum became rich overnight due to their betrayal. Ahamed Chalabi is one of such scum and others of his ilke. Also some of them were also trying to gain Anglo-American support, and thus on the black propaganda that was created. What I am trying to say, don't trust anyone. Some of these traitors are now biting their fingers and hanging their heads in shame. They also lost their independence, as now they are both an American and an Iranian puppet at the same time. I am glad that my people resisted the Americans, and were never bought or were welcoming the invaders. We all know what the invaders wanted, and for me I see it as neo-Crusade. This neo-Crusade was originally being defeated, but George Bush did the Surge, which was a cowardly move. The American victory was hollow and not real. However the Americans themselves did admire the warrior spirit that we showed them. I already told you we have a saying " I would rather be enslaved by a brother, then be oppressed by a stranger" a common Arabian/Bedouin saying. However I still maintain black propaganda was quite strong especially in regards to Iraq. Iraq after all was the most powerful Middle Eastern nation, and hence it should have been demonized at all costs.

That is the sad truth, and the horrible lesson-learned...again, I think that's why Clinton lost the election.

Yes, because there was nothing, from the Iraq war, and also it empowered Iran. Americans are better not meddling with Middle Eastern business, and that money should have been used to improve their domestic problems. Honestly these wars made Americans look like barbarians and blood thirsty savages.

I loved Baghdad as a city, and its people, and I wrote to my wife what a great place it would be to come and visit together some day. That was before it became the quagmire that it is...

Baghdad is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, however it's the war that had crippled it. However it was truly an amazing city. Of course before the Mongol invasion, Baghdad had even surpassed Rome in beauty, glory, and influence upon the world. Baghdad will eventually might bounce back. However there is to much smoke and smell of the traitor scum that covered but one day it will eventually be cleaned and return to it's glory. I have faith that all of the Middle East will reach it's glory.

[Armenian Bishop]

I'm not keen on the 'war on terror' but truth be told hundreds of thousands of Afghans (estimated round 700,000) died between the Taliban and Northern Alliance conflict prior to the US invasion. The war has benefited the Afghans more than it has hurt them with far less deaths and they get good money now with the opiate trade. Iraq is the opposite. It hasn't benefited them. But the vast majority of those deaths are from Shiites and Sunnis targeting each other with the US having played the same role as the British in Northern Ireland.

It's impressive the low number of US military deaths. Slightly over 50,000 died in Vietnam in comparison.

The trouble in Afghanistan started during the Cold War, after a Communist Coup stirred things up in 1978, and provided an opportunity for counterrevolutionary CIA backed Muslims to morph the country into an endless living hell. The "War in Afghanistan" continues to bleed and degrade the country, since its inception in 1978.