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    Has this haplogroup been definitely determined to be ilyrian? The chances of ilyrians being only j2b2 is surely impossible, if they had kids with a female who wasn't ilyrian what would this do to their dna? Also how exactly do haplocharts work? Without knowing much about it, I would guess that you get percentages of several haplogroups?

    So if you have 30% j2b2 that would mean 30% of your MALE ancestors are from that race?? Or 30% of your ancestors from your fathers side (including the women) are from that race?

    M dna has absolutely no bearing on the y dna?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KastriotiBlood View Post
    Has this haplogroup been definitely determined to be ilyrian? The chances of ilyrians being only j2b2 is surely impossible, if they had kids with a female who wasn't ilyrian what would this do to their dna? Also how exactly do haplocharts work? Without knowing much about it, I would guess that you get percentages of several haplogroups?

    So if you have 30% j2b2 that would mean 30% of your MALE ancestors are from that race?? Or 30% of your ancestors from your fathers side (including the women) are from that race?

    M dna has absolutely no bearing on the y dna?
    All men just carry one y DNA and all humen just carry one mtDNA, because all human beings have only two parents.

    %30 J2 mean that,30% of the this population carries Y DNA J2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuk View Post
    All men just carry one y DNA and all humen just carry one mtDNA, because all human beings have only two parents.

    %30 J2 mean that,30% of the this population carries Y DNA J2
    I see, that is a weird way to test DNA.

    So if we go with this example:

    African man & english woman have son (A). (A) has a child (B) with an english woman. I'd like to expand this to 10+ generations but it might put you off.

    So what would be the haplogroups of Child (B) knowing his mother is english and his father is mixed race? Also, it is proven that you can get genetic traits from a grandmother/father which aren't present in your parents. How does this work out with y and m dna?
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    Y DNA and mtDNA does not effect the phenotype.
    If this "mingling" chain lasts for 10 years, eventually the African autosomal components decreased to zero or noise level.

    The best way to describe a person's past is the autosomal gene result.

    But the autosomal gen results do not provide information about phenotype,an Arab father and a European mother's child may appear to be very European, but as autosomally half of ancestry seem Arabian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuk View Post
    Y DNA and mtDNA does not effect the phenotype.
    If this "mingling" chain lasts for 10 years, eventually the African autosomal components decreased to zero or noise level.

    The best way to describe a person's past is the autosomal gene result.

    But the autosomal gen results do not provide information about phenotype,an Arab father and a European mother's child may appear to be very European, but as autosomally half of ancestry seem Arabian.
    How expensive are autosomal gene tests? Also how deep do they go to find your genetic mixture/purity? 2000 years? 500 years?

    In terms of y dna, my dad has black hair (his brother and 2 of his sisters are blonde) but his dad was blonde. Does this mean my dad would have the same y dna as his dad and I also carry it? My potential son would carry it? His son would carry it etc. I assume this is how y dna works.

    If anyone has done any testing on blonde albanian males what y haplogroup have they come out with most frequently? Thanks again
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    Haplogroups reflect direct lineage. Woman cannot test paternal lines though since they have no Y dna

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    Quote Originally Posted by KastriotiBlood View Post
    If anyone has done any testing on blonde albanian males what y haplogroup have they come out with most frequently? Thanks again
    All that are typical Albo, but I would guess higher frequency of blondes are R1 carriers since this marker initally spread light hair color trough out Eurasia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    But they never heard for bagpipes that are played in all other places around Kosovo and are definitely pre Slavic instrument. How to explain that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy1 View Post
    No J2B2 has been found amongst Yamnaya samples. It most likely came with CHG rich migrants into the Balkans.
    And no sample was tested positive for R1a either. J2B2 was probably assimilated via contact with maykop culture. Nobody stated that the original Y DNA of the Yamnaya culture was J2b2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aren View Post
    J2-L283 probably came from Anatolia to SE Europe during the Bronze Age, and then assimilated into the various proto-Illyrian and proto-Thracian tribes.
    Your 5 Minute research Theory does not seem parsimonious at all.


    The known NextGenSequences (NGS, see J2-M172 Research Tree simplified) for L283 are currently 52. Of them those are not European:

    YHRD J2b-M241 map, even without geographical coverage the map gives some insight
    YHRD J2b-M241 map, even without good geographical coverage the map gives some insight

    L283>CTS3681
    RISE408 ancient Armenia ~1109 BC [2]
    L283>Z590>Z584>Z638>Z1296>PH1751>Z38300
    306877 Circassia, Abazin (might count as European but listed nonetheless)
    L283>Z590>Z584>Z638>Z1296>Z1297>Z631>Z1048>Z8425>Z8429
    EB-16138 Cochin-Jewish India [3]

    Even without comparing in detail to the other J2b or J2a haplogroups the lack of presence in Middle East is obvious and no early split diversity in or near the Fertile Crescent seems to exist, except for the ancient Armenian sample. But this presence like all the other listed samples could be an expansion from Balkans/Greece to the East.

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