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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Jovan Deretić is R1a-Z280>Y2902.
    Oh the sweet irony

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    No. Firstly, they are not being funded, and secondly, schoolbooks in Serbia tell exclusively of Slavic origin - as far as I recall, they even fail to take into account assimilation of natives, like it is written in schoolbooks here for example.
    Croatian school books are realistic at this aspect. We learn Croats were Slavic peoples from Carpathian area that arrived to land previously inhabited by Illyrians, Romans, Celts and Goths and mixture of these elements produced modern Croats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Miroljub Petrović has Albanian origin, he admitted that.
    He is E-V13, and he claim that E-V13 is proto-Serbian marker.
    He isn't, for he hails from Kuči clan which is not connected to Albanians in any way (their closest Y-DNA SNP matches are from Poland and US).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    And 99% of the Serbian population will learn from them, rather than from us forum amateurs.
    Miroljub Petrović is clown. He is popular on internet because he is funny, but almost no one in Serbia does not take him seriosly. He is the greatest stand-up comedian in the Balkans.

    Jovan Deretić has more fans who believe in what he says. People which believe to Deretić are in minority in Serbia, probably not even 20%.

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    Btw, we also learned our ethnonym is most likely Iranic, but nobody ever teached us Croats were Iranians, like some alternative books suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    He isn't, for he hails from Kuči clan which is not connected to Albanians in any way (their closest Y-DNA SNP matches are from Poland and US).
    Kuči/Kuqi clan is of Albanian origins in every sense of the word. Wikipederia is disregarded.

    Name has no sense of meaning in Slavic languages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    Croatian school books are realistic at this aspect. We learn Croats were Slavic peoples from Carpathian area that arrived to land previously inhabited by Illyrians, Romans, Celts and Goths and mixture of these elements produced modern Croats.
    That's fair, although the most realistic description would be that those who brought ethnonym "Croat" from western Slavic lands imposed themselves (and hence assimilated them in the long run) not only over previous non-Slavic inhabitants, but also over the Slavs who started settling the area from the eastern direction nearly a century ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    No. Firstly, they are not being funded, and secondly, schoolbooks in Serbia tell exclusively of Slavic origin - as far as I recall, they even fail to take into account assimilation of natives, like it is written in schoolbooks here for example.
    And what do they teach about Albanians ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Kuči/Kuqi clan is of Albanian origins in every sense of the word. Wikipederia is disregarded.

    Name has no sense of meaning in Slavic languages.
    There are several interpretations regarding the name, but etymology is an unreliable science, especially on its own. Genetics have revealed that Kuči Mrnjavčevići and Kuči Drekalovići (some of the latter claim descent from Skenderbeg) are identical, contrary to what was previously thought, as well as that they have no matches among Albanian clans. The story of origin from Skenderbeg most likely stems from the fact that founder of Drekalović branch was related to him via maternal line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    That's fair, although the most realistic description would be that those who brought ethnonym "Croat" from western Slavic lands imposed themselves (and hence assimilated them in the long run) not only over previous non-Slavic inhabitants, but also over the Slavs who started settling the area from the eastern direction nearly a century ago.
    True.

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