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    Quote Originally Posted by Shqipez View Post
    You said those samples found in the Balkans are all Bell Beakers.
    Coon said they are identical to them, he actually looked for a south-east movement of the Bell Beakers , but at that time there was no such thing as ydna study, albanian have different r1b-l23 clade then bell beakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IncelSlayer View Post
    i never said bell beakers specifically, i said they looked same and thats what Coon said...r1b-l23 brothers with Bell Beakers.
    Well you did say "pushed your flat headed bell beaker ancestors in the mountains", this seems pretty specific to me. Maybe i'm just interpreting it wrong lol.
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Bell Beakers were a mix of this



    and this

    That's true, this is why they are called Bell Beakers.Because they used their huge hook nose to beak at nuts, just like birds eat.This is why today albanians wear half a egg-shell as a hat, to remind them of their Bell Beaker past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    It's literally impossible for any European group to have no WHG lol, so it's clearly wrong. The Neolithic population that Europeans have ancestry from themselves were heavily WHG admixed. The Bell Beakers autosomally and in terms of Ydna haplogroups it seems that they were closest to NW Euros
    Yeah lol it's totally bullshit. We got upper Paleolithic influence . The samples they used must be fucked up. Bell Beakers are closest to North West euros indeed which is probably where Kelto Nordid comes from. A Dinaricised type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shqipez View Post
    Some Albanians are also olive skinned / light brown. But majority are pale skinned. Some pale skinned Albos might also appear darker skinned I noticed. Or a combination depending on the year. Seem to tan easily.
    Unfortunately I’m pasty year round. But I have a lot of olive toned family. My father is medium white and my mom as well. My grandmother was pasty(V13/T1a1I). Must take my tone from her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Well you did say "pushed your flat headed bell beaker ancestors in the mountains", this seems pretty specific to me. Maybe i'm just interpreting it wrong lol.
    Bell Beaker is as much as a type/phenotype as a culture, it's a matter of context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IncelSlayer View Post
    That's true, this is why they are called Bell Beakers.Because they used their huge hook nose to beak at nuts, just like birds eat.This is why today albanians wear half a egg-shell as a hat, to remind them of their Bell Beaker past.
    Man, you are one sad human being. I wonder what is it that makes you this much of a low life ? Did an Albanian fuck your mother or something? Nobody can possibly spend this much time and energy on hating on another population. Not even the Serbs here do it. There obviously is something to it here...

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    Is this a so-called Bell Beaker & Neolithic-WHG mix? I strongly doubt it, appeared when I googled Bell Beaker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis View Post
    Unfortunately I’m pasty year round. But I have a lot of olive toned family. My father is medium white and my mom as well. My grandmother was pasty(V13/T1a1I). Must take my time from her.
    Oh yh, I forgot that your grandmother had the same maternal ancestor as my mother . My mothers side are very light in terms of skin tone, eyes and hair, my mother is able to pass in England.
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Is this a so-called Bell Beaker & Neolithic-WHG mix?

    bell beaker from the north were autosomally and anthropologically nordo-armenoids, so look at keltic nordoids

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