Roman Historians on Serbs

[Kelmendasi]

Yeah, probably not Slavic related as the TMRCA with the Polish sample is 4600 ybp.
What I've noticed is that E-Y37092, the same as my subclade, is found in the British isles and Arabian peninsula along with the Balkans.
There are few clades within R1b-L23 and J2 that are also found in all these three world regions.
It's obvious to me that these clades had traveled together and were spread by some ancient people.
But who were those people??

I would say Indo-European peoples, though you could attribute some of the E-V13 in Arabs as from the Crusaders as some specific clades there are clearly of west Euro origin among and have a very recent TMRCA them such as BY5024, clade of S7461 which is found in Lebanon and has a TMRCA of 900ybp and it's ancestral clade is carried by an Englishman. Possibly a lot of the E-V13 in that area also comes from earlier European input.

[IncelSlayer]

By percentage there isn't, Montenegro is around 27% E-V13 whilst Serbia is around 20% or less.

I'm talking about absolute numbers.Did you even read what I posted?

[Kelmendasi]

I'm talking about absolute numbers.Did you even read what I posted?

Yh then sure since Serbia has a larger population, but percentage is what really matters

[Aspar]

I would say Indo-European peoples, though you could attribute some of the E-V13 in Arabs as from the Crusaders as some specific clades there are clearly of west Euro origin among and have a very recent TMRCA them such as BY5024, clade of S7461 which is found in Lebanon and has a TMRCA of 900ybp and it's ancestral clade is carried by an Englishman. Possibly a lot of the E-V13 in that area also comes from earlier European input.

I agree but if you look at E-BY14150, a clade under E-Y37092, which is shared by an Irishman and someone from Saudi Arabia, the TMRCA is 2900 ybp??
That's way too late for it to be spread by the proto Indo-Europeans!

[Kelmendasi]

I agree but if you look at E-BY14150, a clade under E-Y37092, which is shared by an Irishman and someone from Saudi Arabia, the TMRCA is 2900 ybp??
That's way too late for it to be spread by the proto Indo-Europeans!

Yh that is too late, it puts their TMRCA at around the late 9th century BC. E-BY14150 is also carried by the Montenegrin Rajovici clan who are supposedly a branch of Kuqi but genetics doesn't agree with this. Perhaps if a Rajovic uploads to Yfull it will change the TMRCA or something. The Arab is also from the eastern areas of Arabia so idk how it would have entered the area or with who it would've entered.

[Pribislav]

By percentage there isn't, Montenegro is around 27% E-V13 whilst Serbia is around 20% or less.

E-V13 in Serbia is 15%.


Most of E-V13 in Serbia is from Montenegrin tribes Vasojevići, Kuči, Bjelopavlići, Bjelice... which migrated to Serbia in the last 300 years.
Only in southern and eastern Serbia probably most E-V13 is not related with Montenegrin tribes. In southern and eastern Serbia number of people with Montenegrin origin is small.

[Kelmendasi]

E-V13 in Serbia is 15%.
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Most of E-V13 in Serbia is from Montenegrin tribes Vasojevići, Kuči, Bjelopavlići, Bjelice... which migrated to Serbia in the last 300 years.
Only in southern and eastern Serbia probably most E-V13 is not related with Montenegrin tribes. In southern and eastern Serbia number of people with Montenegrin origin is small.

From what I have seen the Serbian DNA project puts it at 18%, but I guess it depends on when they have updated their percentages. From what I have seen the there are some E-V13 carrying Serbs from Kosovo and SE Serbia that belong to E-Z16661(Kuqi clade), some that are E-L241(common among Albanians) and E-Z16988 which is also common among Albanians and a downstream of it is the haplogroup found among the Kelmendi but it is also a haplo among the Bjelopavlici/Palbardhi

[Pribislav]

From what I have seen the Serbian DNA project puts it at 18%, but I guess it depends on when they have updated their percentages. From what I have seen the there are some E-V13 carrying Serbs from Kosovo and SE Serbia that belong to E-Z16661(Kuqi clade), some that are E-L241(common among Albanians) and E-Z16988 which is also common among Albanians and a downstream of it is the haplogroup found among the Kelmendi but it is also a haplo among the Bjelopavlici/Palbardhi

There is Montenegrin settlers in southern Serbia. After 1878 some Montenegrins settled to southern Serbia. Still number of Montenrgrins in southern Serbia is smaller than in central/western Serbia and Vojvodina.

E-V13 has peak in southern Serbia.

This is statistic for Torlakian Serbs from southeastern Serbia (they are not related with Montenegrins, and their dialect is close to Bulgarian language)
Sample 182
I2a - 29,7%
E1b - 19,8%
R1a - 11,5%
R1b - 10,4%
G2a - 7,7%
J2b - 5,5%
J2a - 4,4%
J1 - 2,8%
Q - 2,2%
I2-M223 - 2,2%
I1 - 1,1%
T - 1,1%
N - 0,6%
G1 - 0,6%

[Kelmendasi]

There is Montenegrin settlers in southern Serbia. After 1878 some Montenegrins settled to southern Serbia. Still number of Montenrgrins in southern Serbia is smaller than in central/western Serbia and Vojvodina.

E-V13 has peak in southern Serbia.

This is statistic for Torlakian Serbs from southeastern Serbia (they are not related with Montenegrins, and their dialect is close to Bulgarian language)
Sample 182
I2a - 29,7%
E1b - 19,8%
R1a - 11,5%
R1b - 10,4%
G2a - 7,7%
J2b - 5,5%
J2a - 4,4%
J1 - 2,8%
Q - 2,2%
I2-M223 - 2,2%
I1 - 1,1%
T - 1,1%
N - 0,6%
G1 - 0,6%

From the Serbian DNA project I have seen that a few people from the area that Torlakian is spoken are E-Z5017 when it comes to E-V13 but since Z5017 is a pretty big clade it is practically useless in determining origin.

[Dick]

In a nutshell it’s basically Thracian

From the Serbian DNA project I have seen that a few people from the area that Torlakian is spoken are E-Z5017 when it comes to E-V13 but since Z5017 is a pretty big clade it is practically useless in determining origin.