Is Turkey a pseudo-nation?

[Bosniensis]

A Fake Nation.

We have all been learning the history of Anatolia (well most of us), however today we see that modern Anatolians are brainwashed
that they are Turks. They even compare themselves to some East and Central Asian peoples like they are True Turks etc...

After checking numerous Autosomal results I've seen they are on average 50% West Asian, 25% Greek, 12% Central Asian and other minor %.

If you go to Turkey they will keep talking about Turanist agenda, their ancient Heros etc..

I have questions for a Turks:

1. Who were your rulers in 7th century A.D?
2. What language your ancestors from 7th century A.D spoke?
3. How many Turkic Horse raiders conquered Anatolia?
4. How many Anatolians lived in Anatolia 1071 A.D

This is basically a TABOO subject in Turkey that can get you Jailed!!!!

Luckily we are in more tolerable place where we can discuss this.

I am not saying that Turks are Greeks, while some of them are especially in Marmara region, Anatolia had it's own populace and people.

I invite all TA members to VOTE

[Joso]

A Fake Nation.

We have all been learning the history of Anatolia (well most of us), however today we see that modern Anatolians are brainwashed
that they are Turks. They even compare themselves to some East and Central Asian peoples like they are True Turks etc...

After checking numerous Autosomal results I've seen they are on average 50% West Asian, 25% Greek, 12% Central Asian and other minor %.

If you go to Turkey they will keep talking about Turanist agenda, their ancient Heros etc..

I have questions for a Turks:

1. Who were your rulers in 7th century A.D?
2. What language your ancestors from 7th century A.D spoke?
3. How many Turkic Horse raiders conquered Anatolia?
4. How many Anatolians lived in Anatolia 1071 A.D

This is basically a TABOO subject in Turkey that can get you Jailed!!!!

Luckily we are in more tolerable place where we can discuss this.

I am not saying that Turks are Greeks, while some of them are especially in Marmara region, Anatolia had it's own populace and people.

I invite all TA members to VOTE

Doesn't matters. Nations don't exists, only invidual freedom should be desired.

[Bosniensis]

Doesn't matters. Nations don't exists, only invidual freedom should be desired.

Oh it does matter, Ancestry is important, well at least here on Balkans everyone asks who your ancestors were, and if someone falsely claim an identity he doesn't belong to, he is a thief.

Lying is not part of Freedom of expression.

[Joso]

Oh it does matter, Ancestry is important, well at least here on Balkans everyone asks who your ancestors were, and if someone falsely claim an identity he doesn't belong to, he is a thief.

Lying is not part of Freedom of expression.

It sounds like you sells your freedom like if it were a prostitute

[Livin]

Wait for the stupid troll bori to try to prove you wrong.....

[Bosniensis]

Wait for the stupid troll bori to try to prove you wrong.....

Even Europeans support them to be "Turan people from East Asia" because they hate them... and they support them in all that madness to keep them out of European history.

The most important European history and richest people of Ancient Greece and R. Empire are from Anatolia.

Nicomedia was the richest city in Eastern Mediterranean before the rise of Constantinople.

[Kivan]

That subject is like some kind of mental masturbation.

[Teucer]

I think it is fair to say that 'Turkish' and 'Turkic' are two separate, albeit related, identities. I'm not well read on the subject at all, but I imagine the Turkish identity encompasses and acknowledges not only Turkic ancestry and culture but also others (native Anatolian, Levantine, Greek, Balkan, etc) given the heterogeneity of Anatolia when the Turkic tribes conquered it. In these terms, I don't think Turkey is a 'fake' nation at all.

If people believe Turkey to be a 'Turkic' nation, on the other hand, which is to say a carbon copy of the central Asian states, that would take a lot more convincing

[gültekin]

I think it is fair to say that 'Turkish' and 'Turkic' are two separate, albeit related, identities. I'm not well read on the subject at all, but I imagine the Turkish identity encompasses and acknowledges not only Turkic ancestry and culture but also others (native Anatolian, Levantine, Greek, Balkan, etc) given the heterogeneity of Anatolia when the Turkic tribes conquered it. In these terms, I don't think Turkey is a 'fake' nation at all.

If people believe Turkey to be a 'Turkic' nation, on the other hand, which is to say a carbon copy of the central Asian states, that would take a lot more convincing

nope is not seperate , ethnic Turks are Turks, but you cypriots are hellenized arabs.you are even excomminicate by mainland greeks.

[Bosniensis]

I think it is fair to say that 'Turkish' and 'Turkic' are two separate, albeit related, identities. I'm not well read on the subject at all, but I imagine the Turkish identity encompasses and acknowledges not only Turkic ancestry and culture but also others (native Anatolian, Levantine, Greek, Balkan, etc) given the heterogeneity of Anatolia when the Turkic tribes conquered it. In these terms, I don't think Turkey is a 'fake' nation at all.

If people believe Turkey to be a 'Turkic' nation, on the other hand, which is to say a carbon copy of the central Asian states, that would take a lot more convincing

That's like saying Greek and Hellene are two different things. Turkic and Turkish are two identical words. Whoever says : I am a Turk, I think about Kazakh Horse Archers.

They should call themselves Anatolians, a proper name... they ARE NOT Turan people.