Is Turkey a pseudo-nation?

[Mingle]

They are not only non-representative but the sample sizes are likely very small. The samples are taken from large population centers, and these have historically been populated by Iranic city dwellers. Obviously mongoloid impact in those areas is going to be lower, and recent ancestors of Turkmens were more or less pure nomads, meaning not enough time has passed to create a more homogeneous population.

Actually, being nomadic may not have been hugely significant. Kazakhs were historically nomads and northern Kazakhs, southern Kazakhs, and Kyrgyzes are mostly the same. It was discussed briefly here. There's also a Kazakh user here (mutabor) that said Kazakhs don't have significant genetic diversity. I agree with your "city (Dushanbe) vs. rural comparison". I think Dushanbe may have been a bit of an outlier.

Another thing. A Turkish user (Irle) claimed that a Turkmen invader sample showed modern Anatolian Turks to have close to 40% of their DNA. He said he'd provide me a link for it later, but mysteriously got banned.

[Yaglakar]

Actually, being nomadic may not have been hugely significant. Kazakhs were historically nomads and northern Kazakhs, southern Kazakhs, and Kyrgyzes are mostly the same. It was discussed briefly here. There's also a Kazakh user here (mutabor) that said Kazakhs don't have significant genetic diversity. I agree with your "city (Dushanbe) vs. rural comparison". I think Dushanbe may have been a bit of an outlier.

Well let's take the result that Mutabor posted:



Here's another Kazakh result:



Differences are significant don't you think?

Another thing. A Turkish user (Irle) claimed that a Turkmen invader sample showed modern Anatolian Turks to have close to 40% of their DNA. He said he'd provide me a link for it later, but mysteriously got banned.

How is that comparison possible if Turkmens formed around 14th-16th centuries like all other central asian ethnicities. The autosomals might resemble each other because ancestors of Turkmens continued absorbing Iranics/Persians after bulk of Oghuz/Turcomans left, and the ones who were migrating were mixing with the same elements on their way to Anatolia, then the process repeated in the Mongol turmoil. Kashgari says in 11th century that Oghuz language is being altered because they are intermixing with Persians.

[Mingle]

How is that comparison possible if Turkmens formed around 14th-16th centuries like all other central asian ethnicities. The autosomals might resemble each other because ancestors of Turkmens continued absorbing Iranics/Persians after bulk of Oghuz/Turcomans left, and the ones who were migrating were mixing with the same elements on their way to Anatolia, then the process repeated in the Mongol turmoil. Kashgari says in 11th century that Oghuz language is being altered because they are intermixing with Persians.

I was thinking the same. He told me that the Turkish DNA project published the results a while back and that he'd send me the results another day. Maybe I'll start a separate thread on the topic and we can get input from many members then.

[mutabor]

There's also a Kazakh user here (mutabor) that said Kazakhs don't have significant genetic diversity.

Actually my point was that Kazakhs don't differ as groups not individually. If you pick an average ratio in one place it will be more or less similar to an average at another place. But in one place there will be a wide range from 10% to 50% Caucasoid with an average of 30% Caucasoid.

For example this singer is from the very south but he looks very Tungid. In my opinion average ( typical) Kazakhs look more or less similar in different parts of Kazakhstan.