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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    I know what you mean.
    You always have to use commonsense. You appear to think that Irish are somehow different than other people of "the Isles". Why would that be? Do you think there has been different groups of people that came to Ireland that didn't come to Britain. Basically all the people that came to Ireland passed through Britain first be that Bell Beakers, Normans etc. Only seafarers like the Vikings might have been different in that regard. But if you look at genetic plots all these populations are very close. It is what it is. There might be some minor differences which could show up on Genetic studies but you will notice that all Northwestern Europeans plot close together. You have to call it for what you see before you. No use having agendas with population genetic studies. No groups are better than others only in the heads of complexed people. Personally I wouldn't mind having something exotic in my bloodline. I'm just hyper Northwestern European though.

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    I bet the OP 'Pandit' is same person behind fake Nordicist sock WinterCrusader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    I bet the OP 'Pandit' is same person behind fake Nordicist sock WinterCrusader.

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    Yeah, Broham I appreciate that the English have Anglo-Saxon heritage but applying nordicism to the English is retarded because the English are to the West Germanics what Iceland is to the North Germanics. Nevermind, nordicism is just retarded in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    You always have to use commonsense. You appear to think that Irish are somehow different than other people of "the Isles". Why would that be? Do you think there has been different groups of people that came to Ireland that didn't come to Britain. Basically all the people that came to Ireland passed through Britain first be that Bell Beakers, Normans etc. Only seafarers like the Vikings might have been different in that regard. But if you look at genetic plots all these populations are very close. It is what it is. There might be some minor differences which could show up on Genetic studies but you will notice that all Northwestern Europeans plot close together. You have to call it for what you see before you. No use having agendas with population genetic studies. No groups are better than others only in the heads of complexed people. Personally I wouldn't mind having something exotic in my bloodline. I'm just hyper Northwestern European though.
    Yeah, I definitely have a complex because I have an Irish name but the history Scotland and England in terms of achievements in the arts and sciences is superior to Ireland.

    Anyway, here are more of my genetic results :

    [1,] "England_IA" "0.0146"
    [2,] "England_Saxon" "0.0161"

    "85.8 % England_Saxon + 14.2 % ITA_Rome_Latini_IA" "0.0139"
    "85.3 % England_Saxon + 14.7 % ITA_Villanovan" "0.014"
    "74 % England_Saxon + 26 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1" "0.0141"
    "50% % DEU_Halberstadt_LBA + 50% % England_Saxon" "0.0152"
    "50% % England_IA + 50% % England_Saxon" "0.0152"

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    They're 37.5% Anglo-Saxon genetically on average. You need to understand that the Germanic and Celtic peoples of Europe derived from the ancestral Bell Beaker culture of Europe that displaced most of the native inhabitants of Britain in the 3rd millennium BCE, so the genetic difference between the Anglo-Saxons and the local insular Celts are small.

    [1,] "England_Roman" "0.0078"
    [2,] "DEU_MA" "0.0105"
    [3,] "ITA_Collegno_MA" "0.0113"
    [4,] "England_Saxon" "0.0119"
    [5,] "England_MBA" "0.0126"
    [6,] "Scotland_LBA" "0.0132"
    [7,] "England_IA" "0.0133"
    [8,] "HUN_MA_Szolad" "0.0147"
    [9,] "England_CA_EBA" "0.0159"
    [10,] "Bell_Beaker_Scotland" "0.016"
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    [1,] "48.2 % England_Saxon + 51.8 % ITA_Collegno_MA" "0.0054"
    [2,] "82.5 % England_Roman + 17.5 % SVK_Poprad_MA" "0.0062"
    [3,] "87.2 % England_Roman + 12.8 % USA_colonial_period" "0.0064"
    [4,] "68.8 % England_Roman + 31.2 % England_Saxon" "0.0064"
    [5,] "80.3 % England_Saxon + 19.7 % ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA" "0.0064"
    [6,] "69 % England_Roman + 31 % ITA_Collegno_MA" "0.0067"
    [7,] "45.7 % England_MBA + 54.3 % ITA_Collegno_MA" "0.0069"
    [8,] "78.7 % England_Roman + 21.3 % HUN_MA_Szolad" "0.007"
    [9,] "36.7 % IRL_BA + 63.3 % ITA_Collegno_MA" "0.007"
    [10,] "30.4 % DEU_MA + 69.6 % England_Roman" "0.0071"
    [,1] [,2]
    [1,] "50% % England_Saxon + 50% % ITA_Collegno_MA" "0.0061"
    [2,] "50% % England_MBA + 50% % ITA_Collegno_MA" "0.008"
    [3,] "50% % DEU_MA + 50% % England_Saxon" "0.0086"
    [4,] "50% % DEU_MA + 50% % England_Roman" "0.0089"
    [5,] "50% % England_Roman + 50% % ITA_Collegno_MA" "0.0092"
    [6,] "50% % DEU_MA + 50% % ITA_Collegno_MA" "0.0092"
    [7,] "50% % DEU_MA + 50% % England_IA" "0.0093"
    [8,] "50% % England_Roman + 50% % England_Saxon" "0.0094"
    [9,] "50% % ITA_Collegno_MA + 50% % Scotland_LBA" "0.0094"
    [10,] "50% % England_IA + 50% % ITA_Collegno_MA" "0.0095"
    [1] "nMONTE 1"
    [1] "distance%=0.2817"



    England_Saxon,34.5
    England_EMBA,20.4
    Wales_CA_EBA,17
    Iberia_Southwest_EN,6.1
    USA_colonial_period,6.1
    ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,4.1
    DEU_MA,4
    England_Roman,3.9
    DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN,1.4
    Anatolia_Kumtepe_N_low_res,1.2
    ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA,0.8
    DEU_Karsdorf_LN,0.3
    JPN_Jomon,0.1
    RUS_Yana_MA,0.1

    [1] "nMONTE 3"
    [1] "distance%=0.423"



    England_Roman,29.6
    England_Saxon,23.2
    ITA_Collegno_MA,14.8
    DEU_MA,12
    England_EMBA,4.2
    Wales_CA_EBA,3.8
    Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES,1.8
    DEU_Lech_BBC,1.6
    USA_colonial_period,1.4
    Scotland_LBA,1.2
    ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA,1
    ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,1
    England_IA,0.8
    DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3,0.6
    England_MBA,0.6
    Bell_Beaker_Scotland,0.4
    Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL,0.4
    IRL_BA,0.4
    Iberia_North_CA,0.2
    Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1,0.2
    ITA_Rome_Renaissance,0.2
    ROU_N,0.2
    SVK_Poprad_MA,0.2
    SWE_IA,0.2

    So, yeah, they're around 34 to 37% genetically Anglo-Saxon and the rest is from the local British Celts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Yeah, Broham I appreciate that the English have Anglo-Saxon heritage but applying nordicism to the English is retarded because the English are to the West Germanics what Iceland is to the North Germanics. Nevermind, nordicism is just retarded in general.
    'West Germanic' is a linguistic term, it has nothing to do with genetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Yeah, I definitely have a complex because I have an Irish name but the history Scotland and England in terms of achievements in the arts and sciences is superior to Ireland.

    Anyway, here are more of my genetic results :

    [1,] "England_IA" "0.0146"
    [2,] "England_Saxon" "0.0161"

    "85.8 % England_Saxon + 14.2 % ITA_Rome_Latini_IA" "0.0139"
    "85.3 % England_Saxon + 14.7 % ITA_Villanovan" "0.014"
    "74 % England_Saxon + 26 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1" "0.0141"
    "50% % DEU_Halberstadt_LBA + 50% % England_Saxon" "0.0152"
    "50% % England_IA + 50% % England_Saxon" "0.0152"
    But that isn't because the Irish are inferior but due to the fact that Irish Catholics were seriously hampered as far as education and also holding public office. They were deliberately kept down but they never gave up fighting for independence and were much more problematic than the other "Celts". I'm proud of that. This was also because they had harsher treatment due to being Catholics.

    Ireland was the first country to gain independence and did so at the height of the British Empire. I don't understand how someone cannot be proud of all their ancestors and constantly tries to make out they are of an ethnicity they are not. I mean you're not Irish but you're not Scottish or English either. You should be proud of what you are which is mixed Northwestern European. I'm very proud to be Irish but I don't think it is better than other populations. My main interest though is in things Irish whether that be genetics, history, myths etc. The Irish now hold their own and in fact are one of the most educated countries in the world.

    The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) report shows that 56 per cent of 25-34 year olds in Ireland had received higher or further education. The average for the OECD is 44 per cent.

    This Irish score is the highest in Europe and the fourth highest in the world, followed only by Korea, the Russian Federation and Canada.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...ated-1.4013671

    On most lists you look at the Irish are one of the most educated populations in the world. So all things being equal the Irish are a match for anyone.

    Many Americans have Irish ancestry so it's not like having Irish ancestry is an unusual occurrence for an American.

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    I think this is my first post here.

    Chose this one, because of the lol/inflammatory nature of its title, but am replying due to the good rebuttals explaining how nonsensical OPs question is.

    1. This is my first post, I'm trying to get genealogical research ideas if possible from here, and learn a bit about the peoples behind the names we put on them as well.
    2. lol this thread, i was able to source with high 90s percent certainty over all names (mostly 100% certainty, some lower as time goes back) in my ancestry going back to at least late 1700s, some lines earlier. Just within those 300 years, atlantic migration aside it is crazy how much people moved around europe alone. "Are English people anglo saxon?" uhh yeah, to what extent would be pretty well impossible to determine, and barely interests me.
    3. Anyone have a recommendation for a subforum with cool-headed, non-fantasy "my greatgreatx90 grandfather was CHARLEMAGNE! IM ROYALTY" genealogy topics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ♥ Lily ♥ View Post
    There you go again, as usual....



    Does black hair dye count?!

    Given that loads of rockers and goths and metallers like to dye their hair and eyelashes etc jet black and wear dark clothing in rock and metal and gothic bands, I don't see how they represent a nation of 64 million people.

    That's like only showing all the numerous blond singers in the UK as a representation of our nation.

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    I've shown plenty of crowd pictures and videos in the past.

    Btw, Angles, Saxons and Jutes weren't just blond... but plenty of Anglo Saxons were brunettes too, as shown in Anglo Saxon artwork.

    Just like there's also light-haired Celtic people with no Viking ancestry or Germanic ancestry.
    True Anglo - Saxons were not 100% blond! Nor were the Vikings! Actually new scientific evidence is showing that the Vikings were not that blond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
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