Do atheists even exists?

[Joso]

I said doesn't exist absolute negative proofs. It is like put someone behind the jails and obligate him to prove his innocense, you turn everybody guilty til prove their innocence, while the correct is the presumption of innocence. If you accuse someone of commit a crime, you should show the proofs of this crime, not he proves that he does't commited.

NO PROOF, NO CRIME
NO PROOF, NO GOD

Doesn't matter, if you want to affirm something, you will have to proof, if you cannot affirm that god don't exists, you cannot say that, that is simply as it is. You have no proof of the non-existence of god.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Doesn't matter, if you want to affirm something, you will have to proof, if you cannot affirm that god don't exists, you cannot say that, that is simply as it is. You have no proof of the non-existence of god.

Atheists don't do an affirmation, but a negation!

[Ritz06]

Religion is the opium of the people - Karl Marx

[JosephK]

Religion is the opium of the people - Karl Marx

Marx's quote is quite ironic now, isn't it?

[Ritz06]

Marx's quote is quite ironic now, isn't it?

How come?

[JosephK]

How come?

Nowadays Marxism is the opium of the masses...

[Ritz06]

Nowadays Marxism is the opium of the masses...

oh i was thinking more in the way of:

Marx was making a structural functionalism argument about religion, and particularly about organized religion Marx believed that religion had certain practical functions in society that were similar to the function of opium in a sick or injured person: it reduced people's immediate suffering and provided them with pleasant illusions which gave them the strength to carry on. Marx also saw religion as harmful, as it prevents people from seeing the class structure and oppression around them, thus religion can prevent the necessary revolution

From wikipedia

[JosephK]

oh i was thinking more in the way of:



From wikipedia

Me too. Just replace "Marx" with "Joseph K." and "religion" with "Marxism" (or "socialism"). The class struggle these days is determined and maintained by Ivory Tower Marxists...

[Joso]

Me too. Just replace "Marx" with "Joseph K." and "religion" with "Marxism" (or "socialism"). The class struggle these days is determined and maintained by Ivory Tower Marxists...

Yeah, JosephK is a very good philosoph

[Joso]

I said doesn't exist absolute negative proofs. It is like put someone behind the jails and obligate him to prove his innocense, you turn everybody guilty til prove their innocence, while the correct is the presumption of innocence. If you accuse someone of commit a crime, you should show the proofs of this crime, not he proves that he does't commited.

NO PROOF, NO CRIME
NO PROOF, NO GOD

It is different because god created us and he does not need to be understood by our science.