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Thread: The Palestinians never owned the land known as Israel !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    A great man !
    No, he is not a great man. He is a traitor to the Christian faith -- he publicly denies Jesus Christ. And you like and support him?!
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    I can’t really say that I care about the Palestinians.Arabs have 22 countries that cover a huge territory stretching from the Atlantic Ocean to the Indian Ocean.

    Jews deserve to have a small piece of land too.Israel is the only really liberal and democratic state in the whole MENA and I have never heard about the Arab minority in Israel facing problems there.

    Palestinians could have solved their problems with Israel decades ago.They chose the path of constant warfare and terrorism instead.Everyone is responsible for his own fate after all,but when they don’t give a fck about their own well-being,why I should feel sorry for them?

    On the contrary,I think it’s really pathetic that 70 years after the creation of the state of Israel they play the victim card and live off aid from the UN.
    North Cyprus was invaded only 40 years ago by the Turkish army and yet the Greek Cypriots have managed to build a very successful and prosperous state in the South part of the island
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    The only MENA country with a growing Christian population is ... *drumroll* ... Israel.
    Yes, this is true. This is because you are comparing against the very repressive Islamic countries. However, I've heard that Christians are facing more and more difficulties in Israel, and are looked upon as second-class citizens.
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    Jews as a people never bothered me, it's more the Protestant-funded Zionist policies of Israel.

    Palestinians are extreme people on the other hand, the Somalis of the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Jews as a people never bothered me, it's more the Protestant-funded Zionist policies of Israel.

    Palestinians are extreme people on the other hand, the Somalis of the Middle East.
    Stop blaming Protestants for it. You should instead say "American-funded". Because it's an American thing, Protestant and Catholic American alike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    Rick Steves biased documentary against Israel. Notice the comments have been disabled. This is full of blatant lies. Making Palestinians out to be "victims".
    You have a funny idea of the meaning of "lies". Those are facts, not lies. But because these facts don't agree with your worldview, they automatically become "lies". Know what? That makes you dishonest. You are brainwashed. And of course the Palestinians were, and are, victims. Facts are facts.

    How many suicide bombers does it take to face the facts about the radical influences of the PLO during the 1970's- 1990's? Israel was practically a war zone. I support Israel now more than ever before!
    Oh, so "radical influences" began only in the 1970's? Hmm, I wonder why these people had to resort to such drastic measures? And of course Israel was a war zone, how else do think land can be grabbed and people uprooted from their homes and lands? They were forcefully removed, of course. They did not leave out of free will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Stop blaming Protestants for it. You should instead say "American-funded". Because it's an American thing, Protestant and Catholic American alike.
    It is based on the foundations of Christian Zionism.


    Lord Shaftesbury's "Memorandum to Protestant Monarchs of Europe for the restoration of the Jews to Palestine", published in the Colonial Times, in 1841

    Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land and the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 were in accordance with Bible prophecy. The term began to be used in the mid-20th century, superseding Christian Restorationism.[1][2]
    Traditional Catholic thought did not consider Zionism in any form,[3] but Christian advocacy grew after the Protestant Reformation in support of the restoration of the Jews. A contemporary Israeli historian suggests that evangelical Christian Zionists of the 1840s "passed this notion on to Jewish circles",[4] while Jewish nationalism in the early 19th century was widely regarded with hostility by British Jews.[5]
    Some Christian Zionists believe that the gathering of the Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus. The idea has been common in Protestant circles since the Reformation that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christians as a means of fulfilling Biblical prophecy.[6][7][8][9]


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    It is based on the foundations of Christian Zionism.
    Doesn't make it particularly "Protestant". If a couple of Protestants had this view, it doesn't make it a Protestant thing, because in America both Protestants and Catholics support this. Take for example on this forum, KMack -- he is an American Catholic, but just as pro-Israel as Richmondbread.

    That's like saying pedophilia is a Catholic thing, because Catholic priests have been caught with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Yes, this is true. This is because you are comparing against the very repressive Islamic countries. However, I've heard that Christians are facing more and more difficulties in Israel, and are looked upon as second-class citizens.
    Yes but that is the relevant comparison - this is a binary choice, Israel or Palestine. Obviously in a Christian majority country Christians would be better off. That logic is the reason why we have a Jewish majority country to begin with. Meanwhile the Jewish population of Christian countries like France is shrinking (not because of the Christians though).

    Even Lebanon's Christian population is shrinking. Meanwhile Christian Arabs sit as justices on Israel's supreme court. On average Christians are the most highly educated religious group in Israel. Think about that for a second! Slightly ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    It is well known that the Palestinians are a very heterogeneous people. The inhabitants of some towns, like Hebron, are known to be almost entirely descended from settled Bedouin in the early 19th century. Others, around Nablus, have high levels of Samaritan ancestry. There are Bosnian, Moroccan and African descended populations. But of course many are also heavily or even mostly autochtonous, particularly Christians (and Levantine Jews of course) and other people from some of the older villages.
    This is correct.

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