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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    I know, but i meant except for the people who identify as Gorani, are there Muslim Torlak/Shopi people who live in SE Serbia?
    Shops say "there wasn't a single mosque in Shopluk", but there obviously were some. But when Šopluk was liberated from the Ottomans in 1815 all muslims had to leave, while Raška and Kosovo were liberated 100 years after that, and muslims were allowed to stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Also is there a difference between Shopi and Torlak anyway? I saw some claim both are same people and some the opposite.
    Shops and Torlaks together in red, map of central Serbia only:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../S._Srbija.pdf

    just the Torlaks:


    Torlak dialects is a wider term, used by some linguists, it includes people which are neither Shops of Torlaks. That's the map Pribislav posted.
    Because the word "Torlak" was one of the derogatiory terms for all Southeast Serbs: Shops, Torlaks, Morava-Vardar Serbs, south Kosovo Serbs, maybe some other groups too.

    Torlak identity is much weaker than Shop, and their borders are very loosely defined. However there are stil annual Torlak festivals where Serbs and Bulgarians roughly from that area on the second map gather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrashNick View Post
    What about Janjevo Croats ? They are catholic but it would be interesting to see their results .
    i've never seen a Janjevac result. Croats should test them,but they don't have a proper Dna project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    Gorani are an old ethnic Bulgarian population.
    Yes, i've heard some Gorani claim specifically Bulgarian ancestry, alongside Serbian and Macedonain.

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    16th anniversary of pogroms against Serb civilians and Serbian cultural and religious heritage on Kosovo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_unrest_in_Kosovo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Est.1992 View Post
    Depends what you favor, historical right or ethnic criteria. Serbia has historical rights over Kosovo, but it doesn't have ethnic presence.
    On the other hand, Serbia has no historical rights over Vojvodina, but has ethnic presence there.

    In any case I think ethnic criterium is much more relevant.
    Pretty much sums up everything

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    I can't believe someone is still asking this question. Kosovo and Metohija (Abbreviated "Kosmet") is a century-old Serbian territory where an illegal quasi-"State" called "Kosovo" was created. The Serbian territory of Kosovo and Metohija is currently illegally occupied by the Americans. Albanians still think that they occupied Kosmet, but that is not true. Albanians could never occupy Kosmet on their own, let alone make their own state. Americans know what crimes Albanians are hiding but do not want to prosecute them because they would lose to their advantage. How many Serbs have just been expelled from Kosmet all these years, how many Serbs have been killed, it cannot be said that Kosmet is historically an Albanian country, but a Serbian one. But the day will come when this illegal occupation will end and everything will return to normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Слога View Post
    But the day will come when this illegal occupation will end and everything will return to normal.
    We got rid of many occupations in history that were worse than this one today. We will suffer this too, there will be no war, Kosovo will only return to Serbia. We liberated Montenegro peacefuly, we will liberate Kosovo as well.

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    ^ spot on, ships are leaving for elsewhere. No more Serbia to finance ten children per family, finito ala musica!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    They do, and Serbian monestaries in Kosovo are witness to that.
    Albanians native to Kosovo were Orthodox originally, in my Village there are also the ruins of an old Monastery on a hill (Kodra e Kishes). Our elders say that our whole Tribe was Orthodox (Berisha e Kuqe) from Crvena Drenica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    16th anniversary of pogroms against Serb civilians and Serbian cultural and religious heritage on Kosovo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_unrest_in_Kosovo

    Milosevic took away the autonomy status of Kosovo and put all Albanians out of work, Serbian police mistreated and harassed Albanians wherever and whenever they could. Slobo should have seen it coming that his actions would culminate in conflict.

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