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    Quote Originally Posted by Berga View Post
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    Your place is out of Kosovo.

    Sooner or later you all will get out.
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    You can quote me all you want you but it's pretty obvious this is not your land. This is some false history . Even more funny using dubious registers which mainly covered some eastern parts and timar holders . Western part was filled with Albanian names when the Ottomans occupied it and that's just people who had Albanian names. You seem to love ignoring the historical facts. All the registers for the 16th century show your people as a minority in the 'Plains of Dukagjin' / Western Kosova except for some pockets.

    These registers also recorded people that moved in and out. Peja, Prizren all these towns were inhabited by Islamized Albanians . 500 genocide on Serbs and claiming all people with Serbian names as Serbs is some bullshit theory you further pulled out of your ass when we see Albanians with Serbian names and Serbian-Albanian mixed names.


    There were Albanians in the Eastern part of Kosova too , other registers show this, the towns had a majority Albanian population and there were Albanians even in South-Eastern Serbia. Bunch of you also started settling in Kosova during Ottoman period in the 18th century together with families from Northern Albania. Genocided Albanians out of Nish-Toplica area. There are almost no Kosovo Serbs and there are almost no Muslim Serbs. As it's obvious most Islamized Orthodox and Catholic people in the Plains of Dukagjin were Albanians . Let alone claim that this is supposed to be your land or that you are supposed to be the original inhabitants when you're some tribe that invaded and colonized this territory during the medieval period. Cut down on the drugs you dumb fuck and fuck off. You people are nuts.


    There were about 50k Muslim Serbs in 18th century or so and good chunk of them had come from somewhere else. None of these Ottoman registers show massive abandonment another theory you pulled out of your ass.

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    We lived here first and you together with Bulgarians literally colonized us, the western part which is called Dukagjin (or plains of Dukagjin) and which is the original name and not 'Metohija' was literally filled with people with Albanian names. Especially in that area Peja-Junik-Gjakov-Prizren, right next to Northern Albania Was filled with Catholic Albanians. But not just there. You'll find Albanians all across Dardania. You're full of shit. Some Slavic retarded tribe that expanded here. Right now I am travelling for work but I cannot wait to go back to my ancestral land. I own land there. I am ready to die for that place. F**king Chetnik propaganda. DARDANIA!
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    Chetniks and their aggressive propaganda, a nation of sick people and incredibly insecure. Even 16th century registers literally show these people as a minority in A LOT OF parts of Dardania / Kosova. But they count the Muslim converts as ''unknown origin'' when most of them were Albanians and count every person with a Serb, Greek or Byzantine or even Christian name as a Serb .

    The Albanian population in the Plain of Dukagjini and in Kosova was an auctochthonous population that it not appear there as a result of a massive migration as it is pretended by the Serb historiography. The evidence and documents we have from the historical sources that pertain to the period of Serb domination are fragmentary and do not allow us to create a complete picture of the Albanian population in these areas. However, the cadastral registrations of the fifteenth and sixteenth century, reveal to us what was the demographic composition of the Plain of Dukagjini and Kosova. These cadastral registers show clearly and convincingly that these territories were inhabited by an overwhelming Albanian majority; they give us the incontestable argument that the Albanian population even during the period of Serb domination had been present in these territories. Moreover, the cadastral registers tell us that the Albanian population was auctochthonous and did not migrate from somewhere else. This is also proven by the fact that all the known historical sources and documents do not mention any kind of massive movement of the Albanian population from the mountainous hinterland and regions such as Mirdita, Dukagjini and Mbishkodra (Pult, Kelmend, Shosh, and Shalë). There is not mentioned any massive movements that would have caused radical changes in the demographic composition of these areas. Quite on the contrary, the documents we now possess give us very clear indications that there was absolutely no real possibility for such demographic movements in the fifteenth and the sixteenth century. At the time when the Turkish occupation began, the core mountainous regions of the sanxhak of Dukagjini such as Iballa, Spasi, Fandi i Madh, Fandi i Vogël and Puka as well as the districts of the sanxhak of Shkodra (Pulti and Kelmendi) – according to the registrations of the years 1485 and 1529 – had a total of only 2014 households. On the other hand, the region of the Plain of Dukagjini and Kosova had around 28000 households. Moreover, even when it is compared with the number of the houses of a number of nahija in Kosova taken separately, the number of households in the core mountainous Albanian region was very small.
    For example, in 1455, the nahija of Vuçitern had 3267 households, the nahija of Morava had 3152 households, and the nahija of Labi had 4092 households. In 1485, the nahija of Peja had 4196 households. The total number of households of the Northern mountainous region of Albania was only one-seventh of the houses of the sanxhak of Vuçitern which had 14782 houses. For that matter, the total number of households in the Northern mountainous region of Albania was almost the half of the houses of the nahija of Peja. Even if the whole population of the mountainous region had migrated – something which is really inconceivable – and even if we would assume that the population of Kosova before that had been entirely Serb, the ethnic character of the population would not have changed. During the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries we find that there was a relative growth in the number of the population and dwellings in the mountainous regions of Albania. This shows that there were no possibilities for a considerable movement of the population in the neighboring regions, especially for migrations that would totally upset the ethnic ratio of the population in the region of Kosova.
    The cadastral registers bring further evidence which proves that the Albanian population in Kosova was stable and aucthochtonous, while the Serb minority had been transitory and migratory. Contrary to what has been pretended by the Serb authors, the Serb population changed places quite often. Usually, in the cadastral registers, for the heads of the households who had moved in a village are added the remarks prishlac, doshlac-i (newcomers in Serbian language) or haymanegan for the peregrines. The names of the heads of households that are new carry overwhelmingly Slav names. These people were not coming from the hinterland of Northern Albania. If that supposition was true, they would have held Albanian names, similarly to the other inhabitants of these districts which were included in the sanxhaks of Shkodra and Dukagjini, a fact which is clearly proven by the registers of the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. The majority of the newcomers were Slav ethnic elements that were moving within these regions or that came from other areas with the Slav population in the North of Kosova and the Plain of Dukagjini. Keeping in mind the large number of the heads of households with Slav names that are defined as newcomers in these areas in the fifteenth and sixteenth century, it convincingly appears that even in the sixteenth century the Serb minority was unsettled and continued to be unstable and wandering. This was due to the fact that it was not an indigenous population but that most of them had come as colons during the Serb domination of the region.
    According to the historical and ethnographic data, during the seventeenth and nineteenth century, there was some migration from the hinterland of Northern Albania to Kosova and viceversa. However, these movements occurred within a territory where the overwhelming majority of population was already Albanian.

    THE PRESUMED MIGRATORY WAVES IN AND OUT KOSOVA AND THE MATTER OF “ALBANIZATION. - Selami Pulaha

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    ''The cadastral registers bring further evidence which proves that the Albanian population in Kosova was stable and aucthochtonous, while the Serb minority had been transitory and migratory. Contrary to what has been pretended by the Serb authors, the Serb population changed places quite often. Usually, in the cadastral registers, for the heads of the households who had moved in a village are added the remarks prishlac, doshlac-i (newcomers in Serbian language) or haymanegan for the peregrines. The names of the heads of households that are new carry overwhelmingly Slav names. These people were not coming from the hinterland of Northern Albania. If that supposition was true, they would have held Albanian names, similarly to the other inhabitants of these districts which were included in the sanxhaks of Shkodra and Dukagjini, a fact which is clearly proven by the registers of the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. The majority of the newcomers were Slav ethnic elements that were moving within these regions or that came from other areas with the Slav population in the North of Kosova and the Plain of Dukagjini.''

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    Kosovo has been native European Christian where some though it would be wise to prostitute to Islam for tax benefits in the 16th century.
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    Kosovo has been native European Christian where some though it would be wise to prostitute to Islam for tax benefits in the 16th century.
    These are the remains of Orthodox Monastery of the Holy Archangels near Prizren, built in 14th century.



    Monastery with fortress most likely looked like this:




    The Monastery of the Holy Archangels (Serbian: Манастир Светих Архангела, romanized: Manastir Svetih Arhangela) is a Serbian Orthodox monastery located in Prizren, Kosovo. The monastery was founded by the Serbian Emperor Stefan Dušan (reigned 1331–1355) between 1343 and 1352 on the site of an earlier church, part of the Višegrad fortress complex. It was the burial church for Emperor Dušan, and represented the culmination of the Serbian ecclesiastical architectural style, that led to the birth of the Morava school style.




    Stone from destroyed monastery, Ottoman Albanian Sofi Sinan pasha used to build central mosque in Prizren.


    The monastery was looted and destroyed after the Ottomans arrived in 1455, and in 1615 it was razed to the ground and its material was used for the construction of the Sinan Pasha Mosque, Prizren.





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    As far as I know, the Serbs are a Slavic-speaking population, which means that their language comes from the north (but where do they come from? genetically speaking).
    On the other hand, the Albanians are a Balkan-speaking population, which means that their language is autochthonous (but where do they come from? Genetically).

    These can be beginnings. When analyzing "Who did Kosovo belong to in the beginning?"

    Because if you want to cure a disease, you'd better start from the root.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berga View Post


    ''The cadastral registers bring further evidence which proves that the Albanian population in Kosova was stable and aucthochtonous, while the Serb minority had been transitory and migratory. Contrary to what has been pretended by the Serb authors, the Serb population changed places quite often. Usually, in the cadastral registers, for the heads of the households who had moved in a village are added the remarks prishlac, doshlac-i (newcomers in Serbian language) or haymanegan for the peregrines. The names of the heads of households that are new carry overwhelmingly Slav names. These people were not coming from the hinterland of Northern Albania. If that supposition was true, they would have held Albanian names, similarly to the other inhabitants of these districts which were included in the sanxhaks of Shkodra and Dukagjini, a fact which is clearly proven by the registers of the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. The majority of the newcomers were Slav ethnic elements that were moving within these regions or that came from other areas with the Slav population in the North of Kosova and the Plain of Dukagjini.''
    We will war soon don't you worry shiptar dog, you will die. it is easy to bark hiding behind that Bondsteel and KFOR-NATO, once they leave and they will leave because it is all about interest, they don't defend you from us because you think you are some "ancient Dardanians" you low IQ shptar dog.

    The first second they leave we will come down and compete with each other who will strangle you to death with just bare hands.
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