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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    I don't like Serbia, our enemy state. Just presented you fact, that is if Ottomans did not occupy the area it would be most likely Serbian majority today.
    There are no facts that you have presented. You do like Serbia and you think like a Serb. You feed their nationalist myths.

    Kosovo was only held by the Serbs for 250 years, but you claimed it was historically Serbian which you obviously were wrong about. Kosovo was under Roman occupation , Byzantium and Bulgarian. There were even recorded Albanians and Vlachs in Kosovo before Ottomans, they were becoming Slavs. if Slavs had never settled or occupied Kosovo it most likely would of been majority Albanian if we go by your logic.

    You even had the Bulgarians, Nemanjic, Byzantium etc hold Albania, Macedonia and you had Slavs settle in those lands. What would would of happened to those ?

    The fact Ottomans occupied Kosovo wasn't some crime, its just another balkan victim complex, they were like any other empire that occupied it ... And no most certainly Kosovo wouldn't of been Serbian if it wasn't for Ottoman occupation. Because you still had other empires that were fighting for control of Kosovo , you had the Bulgarians and you had Byzantium who had held it before the Serbs and that were still at it and you also had Albanian noble families such as Dukagjini that were actually the last Balkanites to hold Kosovo. We don't know what would of happened to Kosovo if not for Ottomans.

    The Nemanjic empire was also collapsing before even Ottoman occupation. There were a bunch of Serbs fighting on the Ottoman side.


    Kosovo was Ottoman for 500 years, more then it was actually Serbian. Because it would of been Serb if it wasn't for Ottomans doesn't actually make it historically Serbian, what a messed up logic you have. A majority of Kosovo being Albanian and Serbian minority wasn't the result of Ottoman occupation , we can even argue that it stopped the Slavicization of Albanians and allowed for a growth of an Albanian population to naturally take place so this would of made Kosovo Albanian naturally had it not been for Slavs. Not just Kosovo but a large chunk of the Balkans.

    Albanians did not co operate with the Ottomans any more than the Serbs. Nothing stopped the Serbs from converting to Islam. There are no records of some mass expulsion of Serbs out of Kosovo. Albanians fought on the Austrian side against the Ottomans.


    Ottomans were actually the people that secured the Balkans and stabilised it for 500 years which no other empire at that time was able to do.

    Most certainly you have presented no facts. You're just an amateur historian who thinks like a Serb.

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    I don't know how long was the Serbian presence in Kosovo, but the Bulgarian empire ruled the region for over 200 years. It wouldnt be surprise if all those Serbian monasteries in Kosovo are actually Bulgarian.

    Even back in the 19th century, Serbs had small presence in Kosovo. Here are two maps which are pretty accurate...Serbs did not have job South/Southeastern from the red line. I think that they are not statisfied with their own culture and want the culture of their Southern neighbours.

    800px-Ethnic_map_of_Balkans_-_german_1882.jpg

    Ernst-Ravenstein-Balkans-Ethnic-Map-1880.jpg

    The Belgradski pashaluk really had adequate borders when it comes to the South. If Serbs werent greedy for foreign lands. it would have been natural for them to expand towards west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    I don't know how long was the Serbian presence in Kosovo, but the Bulgarian empire ruled the region for over 200 years. It wouldnt be surprise if all those Serbian monasteries in Kosovo are actually Bulgarian.

    Even back in the 19th century, Serbs had small presence in Kosovo. Here are two maps which are pretty accurate...Serbs did not have job South/Southeastern from the red line. I think that they are not statisfied with their own culture and want the culture of their Southern neighbours.

    800px-Ethnic_map_of_Balkans_-_german_1882.jpg

    Ernst-Ravenstein-Balkans-Ethnic-Map-1880.jpg

    The Belgradski pashaluk really has adequate borders when it comes to the South. If Serbs werent greedy for foreign lands. it would have been natural for them to expand towards west.
    Ya, sure? Where is in Bulgaria monasteries like Decani, Pecka Patrijarsija, Gracanica etc? How is possible that? Style of buildings monasteries in Kosovo is totally diferent from other monasteries from other countries...

    PS. If Albanians build monasteries on Kosovo, how is possible that after a couple of hundred years, the descendants of these "builders" burn that monasteries ...
    Yea, ingenious...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    I don't know how long was the Serbian presence in Kosovo, but the Bulgarian empire ruled the region for over 200 years. It wouldnt be surprise if all those Serbian monasteries in Kosovo are actually Bulgarian.

    Even back in the 19th century, Serbs had small presence in Kosovo. Here are two maps which are pretty accurate...Serbs did not have job South/Southeastern from the red line. I think that they are not statisfied with their own culture and want the culture of their Southern neighbours.

    800px-Ethnic_map_of_Balkans_-_german_1882.jpg

    Ernst-Ravenstein-Balkans-Ethnic-Map-1880.jpg

    The Belgradski pashaluk really had adequate borders when it comes to the South. If Serbs werent greedy for foreign lands. it would have been natural for them to expand towards west.
    Some of those churches were also originally Albanian/Vlach

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.a409ccd51855

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shqipez View Post
    There are no facts that you have presented. You do like Serbia and you think like a Serb. You feed their nationalist myths.
    Spare me your idiotism. If Kosovo remained Serbian, there would be no Serbs in Vojvodina, in Western Bosnia and in Croatia, because they fled to the north and west due to all that.

    It is in our national interest to keep Serbs away from our lands, and they would be if they remained in their medieval core.

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    All the ethnic hatred and rivlaries in the Balkans were planted by Ottomans, due to population replacements and distrupment of tribal natural boundaries. This is a fact.

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    Albanians and especially Kosovars, what is your opinion about Transnistrian self-determination?:

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiloshN View Post
    Ya, sure? Where is in Bulgaria monasteries like Decani, Pecka Patrijarsija, Gracanica etc? How is possible that? Style of buildings monasteries in Kosovo is totally diferent from other monasteries from other countries...

    PS. If Albanians build monasteries on Kosovo, how is possible that after a couple of hundred years, the descendants of these "builders" burn that monasteries ...
    Yea, ingenious...
    Can you point out how are they different? All of them are Eastern Orthodox/Byzantine style, copied from the Bulgarians. Don't forget that medieval Serbia was under Bulgarian occupation for centuries.

    But this is not really important as the fact that already in the 19th century the Serbs were minority in Kosovo. But I do understand the lust of Serbia to conquer Southern lands. The 19th century was the time when you had to strenghten your national identity and Kosovo/Macedonia are lands full of history, heroes and heritage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    I don't know how long was the Serbian presence in Kosovo, but the Bulgarian empire ruled the region for over 200 years. It wouldnt be surprise if all those Serbian monasteries in Kosovo are actually Bulgarian.

    Even back in the 19th century, Serbs had small presence in Kosovo. Here are two maps which are pretty accurate...Serbs did not have job South/Southeastern from the red line. I think that they are not statisfied with their own culture and want the culture of their Southern neighbours.

    800px-Ethnic_map_of_Balkans_-_german_1882.jpg

    Ernst-Ravenstein-Balkans-Ethnic-Map-1880.jpg

    The Belgradski pashaluk really had adequate borders when it comes to the South. If Serbs werent greedy for foreign lands. it would have been natural for them to expand towards west.
    It is well documented fact who built monasteries. There is no doubt about it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    Spare me your idiotism. If Kosovo remained Serbian, there would be no Serbs in Vojvodina, in Western Bosnia and in Croatia, because they fled to the north and west due to all that.

    It is in our national interest to keep Serbs away from our lands, and they would be if they remained in their medieval core.

    You claim it was historically Serbian which is an obvious lie. Those churches are just from the Nemanjic that managed to occupy it for briefly 250 years. Those churches were built within that time period. This doesn't make the area historically originally Serbian in the exact same way it doesn't make Kosovo ottoman or Bulgarian or Roman. Those people also left things over. The fact they became a majority there supposedly is because they settled there especially within that time period and managed to occupy it but then lost it and because some of the natives such as Albanians and Vlachs became Slavicized. We know Kosovo still had an Albanian population and Vlach even at that time.

    We know Kosovo under the Bulgarians was largely described as Bulgarian also. But the Bulgarians also eventually lost it.

    Kosovo wasn't their medieval core. Their core was Rashka. There was no great migration . If there was a migration then Albanians also migrated out of the area . The great migration barely included 30,000 - 40,000 people and not just Kosovo but also people from other areas. It barely had an impact on the area.

    You're a pseudo historian and your reasoning makes no sense.

    'If Kosovo remained Serbian' - it wasn't originally Serbian in the first place. Wherever they fled or what they did is not the problem here. Same way they expanded North they also expanded South.p into Kosovo, Albania etc,

    It doesn't change the fact you feed their nationalist myths.

    'm not being an idiot. Unlike you I actually read books. And have much more knowledge of this. You do think like a Serb and don't understand how Balkan nationalist myths were invented and are still the leading factors today in politics. Someone like Noel goes well into this.


    By the 19th century it was largely Albanian and then occupied by Serbs who colonised the area and settled Serbs from Montenegro.


    Those Serbs migrating to those areas you mentioned didn't all come from Kosovo, dummy. And some of them were settled by the Ottomans in Bosnia as mercenaries.

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