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    Default Miscigenação no Brasil

    Eu percebo que em muitos threads nós acabamos tocando neste assunto - miscigenação no Brasil, e outros assuntos relacionados a isso. Sintam-se a vontade para falar a respeito disso aqui.

    Ancestralidade por estado (postarei somente estados que possuem pessoas no TA):

    São Paulo: 79% europeu + 14% africano + 7% nativo; outra pesquisa diz 61,9 % euro + 25,5% africano + 11,6% nativo. Eu não sei se o interior é mais europeu do que as grandes cidades. Cabe aos paulistas responderem.

    Rio de Janeiro: pesquisa feita pro autodeclaração diz 54,5% da população é branca, 32,4% da população é parda, e 12,6% da população é negra. Nós sabemos que esses brancos não são totalmente europeus, assim como esses negros não são totalmente africanos, por hereditariedade. Logo, quase toda população é miscigenada em algum grau.

    Santa Catarina: não têm muitos estudos genéticos; o IBGE diz 88,1% da população é branca, 9% parda e 2,7% negros. Quanto mais ao interior, mais branco é. Na capital, encontra-se negros e pardos também.

    Rio Grande do Sul: o IBGE diz 82,3% da população é branca, 11,4% parda e 5,9% é negra. A população negra gaúcha é bem concentrada em Porto Alegre, e nas áreas ao redor de Pelotas.
















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    De acordo com o IBGE:

    Porcentagem da contribuição de cada origem para a população brasileira.[50]
    Cidade ou estado Africana Europeia Ameríndia
    Manaus, Amazonas 16,3% 45,9% 37,8%
    Belém, Pará 16,8% 53,7% 29,5%
    Pernambuco 27,9% 56,8% 15,3%
    Alagoas 26,6% 54,7% 18,7%
    Goiás 13,3% 82,7% 3,0%
    Minas Gerais 28,9% 59,2% 11,9%
    Espírito Santo 13,4% 74,1% 12,5%
    Rio de Janeiro 31,1% 55,2% 13,7%
    São Paulo 18,2% 69,9% 10,6%
    Paraná 17,5% 71,0% 11,5%
    Santa Catarina 11,4% 79,7% 8,9%
    Rio Grande do Sul 14,0% 72,9% 13,0%

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    Whites, amerindians and blacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobodwannaa View Post
    Whites, amerindians and blacks?
    Yes. I forgot to put the ethnies there. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobodwannaa View Post
    Whites, amerindians and blacks?



    No. Pardos.

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    Censo do IBGE carece de credibilidade, pois é um estudo auto-declarativo. Se estiver interessado em estudos genéticos sobre o Brasil, recomendo este interessante thread:
    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...=47296&page=22

    Aqui o registro por estado:

    Quote Originally Posted by Montanini

    Estimation 1#
    São Paulo 74% Euro, 16% African, 2% East Asian, 8% Amerindian
    Rio de Janeiro 72% Euro 21% African, 7% Amerindian
    Minas Gerais 71% Euro, 22% African, 7% Amerindian
    Espirito Santo 71% Euro, 22% African, 7% Amerindian
    Paraná 79% Euro, 11% African, 9% Amerindian, 1% East Asian
    Santa Catarina 88% Euro, 6% African, 6% Amerindian
    Rio Grande do Sul 84% Euro, 8% African, 8% Amerindian
    DF/Goias 68% Euro, 20% African, 12% Amerindian
    MS: 68% Euro, 19% African, 13% Amerindian
    MT: 62% Euro, 23% African, 15% Amerindian
    Bahia: 54% Euro, 38% African, 8% Amerindian
    Maranhão 54% Euro, 30% African, 16% Amerindian
    Rest of Northeast 64% European, 20% African, 16% Amerindian
    Rondonia: 62% Euro, 16% African, 22% Amerindian
    Rest of North 52% Euro, 18% African, 30% Amerindian

    How could be the result with these numbers?

    For the South (region that I think I'm more informed), I used my own estimation that is a mix of number of Official Census, Genetic Studies, Studies about Surnames, Diverse Studies (Migration, Marriage between ethnicities, Slave trade by regions, Personal Knowledges and other studies; Post 163
    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=47296&page=17"]http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...=47296&page=17[/URL]

    Estimation 2# (with some modification) Ranges
    Santa Catarina 85-90
    Rio Grande do Sul 80-85
    Paraná 75-80
    São Paulo 70-75
    Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais, Espirito Santo, DF, Goias, Mato Grosso do Sul 65-70
    Alagoas, Ceará, Paraíba, Sergipe, Pernambuco, Rio Grande do Norte, Mato Grosso, Rondonia 60-65
    Acre, Tocantins, Piaui 55-60
    Bahia, Maranhão, Amazonas, Roraima, Amapa, Pará 50-55
    You could use the value of 52,5%, 57,5% here etc.

    The first is more Euro maybe, the second estimation is less Euro. Both are realist.

    São Paulo countryside 76,5% Euro
    RMSão Paulo 72% Euro

    Why I think RMSão Paulo is not 65% Euro or even under 70%? One reason, there are still many recent Euro immigrants in that city, many of them are 100% Euro and probably as high as 30% are over 90% European.

    São Paulo before 1950 was probably as Euro as Buenos Aires if not more, the city was replaced by European immigrants many times, it has considerable Euro-descent people, if ~half of the contribution of the city now is from Northeast and the average Northeast people in São Paulo is probably around 59 Euro/33 African/11 Amerindian, the city simply can't be around 65% European, the average Paulistano if you add all people is not like Daddy Yankee (maybe neither the average Brazilian is like Daddy Yankee to be honest), it is more Euro-shifted, probably Off-White with some African input and minor Amerindian and East Asian.

    IMO about 72% European, 18% African, 2% East Asian, 8% Amerindian seems honest and realist, the average Paulistano is maybe brown-skinned and maybe just around 35-40% are White-looking (my opinion), but like I said before, the number of 90%+ European people of the city increases significatly the percentage of the European contribution.

    Now São Paulo used to be over 80% European (perhaps even over 85%) before the big Northeast migration, it was a completely different city, completely. That is why people stay mad, the city is desfigured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolsonaro2018 View Post
    Censo do IBGE carece de credibilidade, pois é um estudo auto-declarativo. Se estiver interessado em estudos genéticos sobre o Brasil, recomendo este interessante thread:
    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...=47296&page=22

    Aqui o registro por estado:
    Obrigado pela dica e pelo link. Eu não sei onde encontrar pesquisas seguras e precisas a respeito disso.

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    Aqui, algumas informações interessantes.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...qHxQS8VuFEirta

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    Cearences são puros sim

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    Pensei que menos de 1% da população de Santa Catarina fosse composta por negros.
    De qualquer forma, esse IBGE não é confiável, muitos negros no Rio de Janeiro se declaram pardos, já até vi várias pessoas dizendo que o Barack Obama é pardo, O Barack Obama seria considerado negro em qualquer lugar aqui no Maranhão, mas as pessoas o chamariam de " moreno " para descrevê-lo, e não negro.
    Também acho que o Ceará não é tão branco como mostra naquele mapa com cores azuis.

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