Hundreds of Turks packing up for Greece

[Petros Houhoulis]

Sheltering? Noone’s inviting them you idiot, they’re entering illegally, then seek asylum in which case a certain EU procedure has to be followed.

Most of them are civil servants facing imprisonment in Turkey on phony charges. There are already thousands of imprisoned civil servants in Turkey.

In any case, Greece should have at least tested them genetically and if found with canine genes they should be deported back to Central Asia immediately... Or in case they have too many canine genes, to be placed in a cage within a zoo...

[Marmara]

If he had an affiliation with the coup attempt, he would have to be a Kemalist, but it doesn't matter anyway, as per state doctrine, all Kemalists are Gulenists...

Petros just shut the fuck up, coup was staged by Gülenists it's for certain.

Retired Kemalist generals were the ones who traveled through other countries explaining it to governments because they wouldn't believe Erdoğan himself.

They wanted to make Coup be seen as "Secularist coup against Islamist Erdoğan" to gain symphathy from West which failed.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Petros just shut the fuck up, coup was staged by Gülenists it's for certain.

The coup was staged by Hakan Fidan who hacked the communications of junior Kemalist officers, and made them believe that got the approval to start a coup from their superior Kemalist officers.

Retired Kemalist generals were the ones who traveled through other countries explaining it to governments because they wouldn't believe Erdoğan himself.

Retired Scumbag generals who have been framed and threatened by Erdogan to play along or else get exposed with god knows what kind of dirt, traveled to other countries in order to fool other governments that they have a clue about what happened. None of them has the slightest idea, and most probably Hakan Fidan framed them too and threatened to expose them as putchists and imprison their families if they did not collaborate.

The problem with the "Kemalists" kiddo is that they don't have a spine. They always had the state on their side, and once the police and the secret services turned against them, they panicked and dropped their pants, and their Kemalist ideology as well. The Islamists have more ballz because they were excluded from power, but gradually they are turning into feeble Sultanic lackeys, if they haven't become already...

If you had a brain, you would realize that by pointing to retired a.k.a. POWERLESS people, you make a fool of yourself...

[Marmara]

The coup was staged by Hakan Fidan who hacked the communications of junior Kemalist officers, and made them believe that got the approval to start a coup from their superior Kemalist officers.

Retired Scumbag generals who have been framed and threatened by Erdogan to play along or else get exposed with god knows what kind of dirt, traveled to other countries in order to fool other governments that they have a clue about what happened. None of them has the slightest idea, and most probably Hakan Fidan framed them too and threatened to expose them as putchists and imprison their families if they did not collaborate.

The problem with the "Kemalists" kiddo is that they don't have a spine. They always had the state on their side, and once the police and the secret services turned against them, they panicked and dropped their pants, and their Kemalist ideology as well. The Islamists have more ballz because they were excluded from power, but gradually they are turning into feeble Sultanic lackeys, if they haven't become already...

You sound like you actually sat and talked with them, but no, you are an outsider who is biased and can't follow what's happening, you just wish everything was as how you describe it.

The Kemalists were already discharged the time when Coup was staged, most high ranking army Officers were Gulenists, those who are not purged are Kemalists remain in position still, and army already never had any Erdoğan symphatizers.

[Petros Houhoulis]

You sound like you actually sat and talked with them, but no, you are an outsider who is biased and can't follow what's happening, you just wish everything was as how you describe it.

If I wished everything was as I described (a.k.a. the "Bori syndrome") I would describe you as wolf fuckers stranded in Central Asia. Unfortunately the folks of Central Asia - no matter how oppressed - seem to be by far more reasonable than you, and should not even bring them in the same sentence with you...

The Kemalists were already discharged the time when Coup was staged, most high ranking army Officers were Gulenists, those who are not purged are Kemalists remain in position still, and army already never had any Erdoğan symphatizers.

The Kemalists didn't lose their ability to hire new Kemalists in the army as soon as the Sultan got first elected at 2002 - probably only after 2010, see "Deniz Baykal" below - and no, military careers can span for several decades, much longer than the 2002-2016 period. Let's take your Chief of the general staff during the coup, Hulusi Akar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulusi_Akar

Akar was born in 1952 in Kayseri, Turkey. He graduated from the Turkish Military Academy in 1972 and the Turkish Infantry School in 1973. In 1975 he attended Queen's University Belfast for postgraduate studies in International Diplomacy.

Let's see his second in command:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cmit_D%C3%BCndar

Ümit Dündar (born in 1955) is a Turkish general who was temporarily Chief of Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces while Hulusi Akar was being held hostage by coup forces during the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt.^[1][2][3][4]

So the top two in your hierarchy back then served since the 1970's. Could they be Gulenists? No, the Gulenists begun climbing the ranks after the Sultan got in power. When did the Sultan got in power? At 2002. Well, at that rate all officers from Akar (enlisted 1973) up to almost 3 decades later (2002) were Kemalists, in their vast majority. What are the chances that a single Gulenist managed to get to the top ranks of the military if the Kemalists were 29 years senior to them in the top of the pyramid???

Let's see the main conspirators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak%C4%...3%96zt%C3%BCrk

Akın Öztürk
General Akın Öztürk, TAF 30th Commander of the Turkish Air Force
Born	February 21, 1952 (age 66) Gümüşhane, Turkey
Allegiance	Turkey
Service/branch	Turkish Air Force
Years of service	1973–2016
Rank	General (Dismissed 2016)
Commands held	Commander of Air Force Intelligence Chief of Air Force 2nd Air Supply and Maintenance Command Training and Projects Command 141st Squadron Command MJB Operations Command
Awards	See below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semih_Terzi

Terzi graduated from the Turkish Army Academy in 1989. In 2009, he was promoted to the rank of a Staff Colonel of the Engineer Corps (Turkish: İstihkam Kurmay Albay). His promotion to the rank of a Brigadier general (Tuğgeneral) by the Supreme Military Council took place in August 2014.^[1][2]

Do you suggest that the main conspirators were in the army from one to three decades before the Sultan got in power, and the Turkish army FAILED TO TRACK GULENISTS IN ITS' RANKS FOR SO LONG???

If they could infiltrate the army since 1973, assuming that Ozturk was indeed a Gulenist, then there is something terribly wrong: These people joined the Turkish army when Gulenism barely started as a concept. Look at the fucking dates:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B...vement#History

History

• 1941 – Fethullah Gülen is born in Korucuk, near Erzurum, Turkey
• 1950s – Gülen's first meeting with people from the Nur Movement^[93]
• 1960 – death of Said Nursî^[94]
• 1960s – Gülen begins attracting disciples while a state preacher in Izmir^{[citation needed]}
• 1971 – Gülen arrested for an alleged crime of organizing and/or participating in activities to change the basis of the constitutional system but is released seven months later.^{[citation needed]}
• late 1970s – Gülen establishes himself independently of other Nurju organizations; first ışık evleri ("houses of light", i.e., student residences)^{[citation needed]} established^{[citation needed]}
• 1978 – First dershane (study center for university exams) opens^{[citation needed]}
• 1979 – Science journal Sızıntı begins publication^[95]
• 1981 – Gülen retires^{[citation needed]}
• 1982 – First "Gülen school" opens.^[96]
• 1986 – Zaman, a daily newspaper in Turkey,^[97] begins publication, later becoming one of Turkey's top selling newspapers
• 1988–1991 – Gülen gives lectures in Istanbul and Izmir^{[citation needed]}
• 1991 – Fall of Soviet Union permits establishment of Gülen schools in Central Asia^{[citation needed]}
• 1994 – The (Turkish) Journalists and Writers Foundation (Gazeteciler ve Yazarlar Vakfi) established, with Gülen as honorary president^[98]
• 1996 – Creation of Asya Finans (investment bank aimed at former Soviet Central Asia), with Tansu Çiller as an investor^{[citation needed]}
• 1998 – Gülen meets with Pope John Paul II in the Vatican^[99][100]
• 1999 – Gülen movement schools in Tashkent closed by Uzbekistan government after a rift between Turkish and Uzbek governments^{[citation needed]}
• 1999 – Gülen emigrates to Pennsylvania after the Turkish government charges him with attempting to set up an Islamist state in Turkey^[21]
• 2004 – Establishment of Niagara Foundation^[101]
• 2004 – Establishment of Kimse Yok Mu (Is Anybody There?), a charitable organization;^[102] 2010, receives "special" NGO status with United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs.^[103]
• 2005 – Establishment of TUSKON (Turkish Confederation of Businessmen and Industrialists)^[104]
• 2012 – Journalists and Writers Foundation (Gazeteciler ve Yazarlar Vakfi) receives "general consultative status" as a Non-Governmental Organization of the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) of the United Nations.^[105]

Your notions are ludicrous, and you fail to realize that your Sultan has blackmailed everybody from Gul - forcing him not to be a presidential candidate - to those poor Kemalist stooges who stood for trial in the Ergenekon and Sledgehammer trials. Obviously those Kemalists who got scared of jail sentences and agreed to become his sheep were spared from accusations of participating in the coup, ut not only them. Remember Deniz Baykal?

www.economist.com/node/16116821

Turkey's opposition Sex, lies and video

A scandal brings down Turkey’s main opposition leader

May 13th 2010 | istanbul

There's life in the old dog

HE HAS not won an election in almost 20 years. He has made a career of blocking reform. And now he has allegedly been caught in bed with his former private secretary. Yet Deniz Baykal, who on May 10th resigned as leader of Turkey's main opposition grouping, the pro-secular Republican People's Party (CHP), may survive nonetheless.
The scandal erupted on May 7th when Habervaktim, a radical Islamist website, published nine minutes of silent footage purportedly showing Mr Baykal, 71, and Nesrin Baytok (now a CHP deputy) milling around a bedroom semi-nude. The video emerged as Turkey's parliament was voting on a crucial set of constitutional reforms aimed at trimming the powers of Turkey's meddlesome generals and their allies in the judiciary. Mr Baykal, who had vowed to get the changes overturned, claims that the leak was timed to ward off this challenge. Yet some thought the camera might have been planted by Mr Baykal's rivals within the CHP. Others still mused that pro-secularist forces within the army and elsewhere might have orchestrated the conspiracy in order to revive the CHP's fortunes under a fresh leader ahead of parliamentary elections next summer.
Turkey's mildly Islamist prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has denied any involvement and ordered a criminal investigation. Websites that posted the film, which appeared with the title “Sex Adventures with the CHP”, have been blocked.
But Turks have not seen the last of Mr Baykal. His supporters are gathering signatures for him to stay on as party leader. Some are staging a hunger strike outside his Ankara home. Although he has ruled out an immediate return, Mr Baykal is leaving the door ajar. “I cannot tell these people to go and mind their own business,” he said to a television news channel. He may continue to run the party he has led since 1992, albeit from behind the scenes.
The lack of a credible opposition is a big weakness of Turkish democracy. So long as Mr Baykal remains in the picture there is little chance of the CHP winning power. Even if he were to withdraw fully, the ensuing power struggle within the party founded by Ataturk in 1923 is unlikely to be resolved in time for next year's elections.
Yet perhaps the most telling aspect of the scandal is its resemblance, in some senses at least, to other shadowy goings-on in the continuing battle between Turkey's pro-secular old guard and the new class of pious entrepreneurs symbolised by Mr Erdogan's AK party. Covertly recorded conversations and videos have become a tactic to discredit rivals. A striking example is the evidence used to implicate suspects in the “Ergenekon” trial, which has been mounted against an alliance of security officials and civilians who are accused of seeking to foment chaos in order to justify a coup to overthrow AK. The pro-secular camp is widely believed to be keeping its own ammunition in reserve. Mr Baykal may not be the last Turkish politician to be caught in the act.

The Sultan had to get rid of Baykal before he got the chance to give the generals the boot and give chances to his own military men - which included the Gulenists back then - to make a career. All the dots are connected together, only the stupid Turks are unable to see them...