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    Quote Originally Posted by Novi Pazar View Post
    ^ What does Morea mean in Italian? In Serbian it means the 'Sea Coast'.

    So Servo means to watch over, okay. So why do Greeks call Serbia 'SERVIA'? What did Serbs watch over? Or what was the Roman reason for Serbs to watch over, what were they guarding, what were they as 'Slaves' doing in the Balkans (Helm in Serbian), to look over?

    Venezelos was paranoid by 'someone in academic circles' revealing that Greeks are simply just Greekified, so the massive renaming occurred by using the 'Slavic' meaning and translating it to Greek.

    Anyway, the town Ser(V)ia or Ser(V)on where initially spelt as Ser(B)ia and Ser(B)on, as Greeks say B as V (Byzantino as Vyzantino), just as mp is b like Sarbatia is Sarmpatia (later p dropped and re-written as Sarmatia).
    Moreas comes from the word mouria meaning mulberry. Anyway, even if we gave the Slavic etymology credit, the original name predating the Slavic invasions in the Middle Ages was Greek.
    Greeks call Serbia as such because that is the name of the country given by its inhabitants the Serbs. If you called your selves cocacolians we would call the country Coca Cola .
    Servia, a roman translation of the old Greek name Phylacae, has nothing to do with anything Slavic or Serbian.
    Wich "academic circles" ever claimed that Greeks are hellenised Serbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novi Pazar View Post
    ^ What does Morea mean in Italian? In Serbian it means the 'Sea Coast'.

    So Servo means to watch over, okay. So why do Greeks call Serbia 'SERVIA'? What did Serbs watch over? Or what was the Roman reason for Serbs to watch over, what were they guarding, what were they as 'Slaves' doing in the Balkans (Helm in Serbian), to look over?

    Venezelos was paranoid by 'someone in academic circles' revealing that Greeks are simply just Greekified, so the massive renaming occurred by using the 'Slavic' meaning and translating it to Greek.

    Anyway, the town Ser(V)ia or Ser(V)on where initially spelt as Ser(B)ia and Ser(B)on, as Greeks say B as V (Byzantino as Vyzantino), just as mp is b like Sarbatia is Sarmpatia (later p dropped and re-written as Sarmatia).
    More means the sea in most IndoEuropean languages, except for Greek where the Pelasgian Thalassa has survived...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimos View Post
    Moreas comes from the word mouria meaning mulberry. Anyway, even if we gave the Slavic etymology credit, the original name predating the Slavic invasions in the Middle Ages was Greek.
    Greeks call Serbia as such because that is the name of the country given by its inhabitants the Serbs. If you called your selves cocacolians we would call the country Coca Cola .
    Servia, a roman translation of the old Greek name Phylacae, has nothing to do with anything Slavic or Serbian.
    Wich "academic circles" ever claimed that Greeks are hellenised Serbs?
    Hahaha, uneducated, ignorant ancient 'Greek' you are...

    It's well known that Morea is of Slavic origin and has nothing to do with 'mouria'.

    But you are all ignorant and the hate had made you blind.

    Your former dictator Metaxas, had changed most of the toponyms of Slavic origin in Greece with the excuse that they must have Hellenic names although those names were long forgotten and even the Greeks were not using them but were using the Slavic ones.

    That shows your self hating and disgusting face...

    But hey, he kept the Slavic name of your hometown, haha, how do you call it, Kastoria was it, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    Hahaha, uneducated, ignorant ancient 'Greek' you are...

    It's well known that Morea is of Slavic origin and has nothing to do with 'mouria'.

    But you are all ignorant and the hate had made you blind.

    Your former dictator Metaxas, had changed most of the toponyms of Slavic origin in Greece with the excuse that they must have Hellenic names although those names were long forgotten and even the Greeks were not using them but were using the Slavic ones.

    That shows your self hating and disgusting face...

    But hey, he kept the Slavic name of your hometown, haha, how do you call it, Kastoria was it, isn't it?
    The name "Kastoria" first appears in 550 AD, mentioned by Procopius as follows: "There was a certain city in Thessaly, Diocletianopolis by name, which had been prosperous in ancient times, but with the passage of time and the assaults of the barbarians it had been destroyed, and for a very long time it had been destitute of inhabitants; and a certain lake chances to be close by which was named Castoria. There is an island in the middle of the lake, for the most part surrounded by water; but there remains a single narrow approach to this island through the lake, not more than fifteen feet wide. And a very lofty mountain stands above the island, one half being covered by the lake while the remainder rests upon it." (Procopius "Περί κτισμάτων" /On buildings, book IV,1.3) Although Procopius refers to it as "a city of Thessaly", the description is undoubtedly that of Kastoria, a city on a promontory in a lake.

    There are several theories about the origin of the name Kastoria.[2] The dominant of these is that the name derives from the Greek word κάστορας (kástoras, meaning "beaver"). Trade in the animal's fur, sourced from nearby Lake Orestiada, has traditionally been an important element of the city's economy. Other theories propose that the name derives from the Greek word κάστρο (kástro, meaning "castle"; from the Latin word castra) or from the mythical hero Κάστωρ (Kástōr), who may have been honoured in the area. The word is sometimes written with a C, Castoria,[3] especially in older works. From Greek, the name was borrowed into Turkish as Kesriye. The Serbian, Bulgarian and Macedonian name of the city is Kostur (Cyrillic: Костур).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ΜΑΚΕΔΩΝ View Post
    The name "Kastoria" first appears in 550 AD, mentioned by Procopius as follows: "There was a certain city in Thessaly, Diocletianopolis by name, which had been prosperous in ancient times, but with the passage of time and the assaults of the barbarians it had been destroyed, and for a very long time it had been destitute of inhabitants; and a certain lake chances to be close by which was named Castoria. There is an island in the middle of the lake, for the most part surrounded by water; but there remains a single narrow approach to this island through the lake, not more than fifteen feet wide. And a very lofty mountain stands above the island, one half being covered by the lake while the remainder rests upon it." (Procopius "Περί κτισμάτων" /On buildings, book IV,1.3) Although Procopius refers to it as "a city of Thessaly", the description is undoubtedly that of Kastoria, a city on a promontory in a lake.

    There are several theories about the origin of the name Kastoria.[2] The dominant of these is that the name derives from the Greek word κάστορας (kástoras, meaning "beaver"). Trade in the animal's fur, sourced from nearby Lake Orestiada, has traditionally been an important element of the city's economy. Other theories propose that the name derives from the Greek word κάστρο (kástro, meaning "castle"; from the Latin word castra) or from the mythical hero Κάστωρ (Kástōr), who may have been honoured in the area. The word is sometimes written with a C, Castoria,[3] especially in older works. From Greek, the name was borrowed into Turkish as Kesriye. The Serbian, Bulgarian and Macedonian name of the city is Kostur (Cyrillic: Костур).

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    Στην ίδια περιοχή και, περίπου, στη θέση της σημερινής Καστοριάς, ο Τίτος Λίβιος μνημονεύει, πρώτος και μόνος από τους αρχαίους ιστορικούς, την πόλη Celetrum, «in paeninsula (χερσόνησο) situm» (31,40). Κέλετρον εκ του αρχαίου ρήματος Κηλέω-ώ που σημαίνει : Θέλγω, σαγηνεύω, ξελογιάζομαι. Πάντως ο Παπαπαναούμ στην αυτοβιογραφία του (1856 εν Λειψία) δεν έχει αμφιβολίες για την ταύτιση: «Εγεννήθην εν Καστορία πάλαι Κέλετρον καλουμένην». Στον ίδιο αυτό τόπο πρέπει ν΄αναζητήσουμε και την πόλη που έχτισε ο Διοκλητιανός τον 3ον αιώνα μ.Χ. και της έδωσε τ΄όνομά του. Τρεις αιώνες αργότερα ο Προκόπιος, ο πρώτος ιστορικός που παραδίνει τη λέξη Καστοριά, περιγράφει τη Διοκλητιανούπολη με ακρίβεια: «λίμνη δε τις αυτή εν γειτόνων τυγχάνει ούσα ή (η οποία) Καστορία ωνόμασται. Και νήσος κατά μέσον της λίμνης τοις ύδασιν περιβέβληται» (Περί κτισμάτων ΙV,3.273). Από τον ίδιο ιστορικό μαθαίνουμε ότι εδώ ακριβώς ήταν η θέση όπου ο αυτοκράτορας Ιουστινιανός «πόλιν εν τη νήσω οχυρωτάτην εδείματο (έκτισεν με τέτοιο τρόπο που προκαλούσε δέος στον εχθρό) και το όνομα, ως το εικός, αφήκε τη πόλει». Τίνος όνομα; Του δημιουργού αυτοκράτορα; Αλλά οι πηγές δεν ταυτίζουν την Καστοριά με καμιά Ιουστινιανούπολη, όπως νόμισαν μερικοί. Ή μήπως, πράγμα πιθανότερο, πρέπει να πιστέψουμε ότι ο Ιουστινιανός άφησε στην πόλη που έχτισε τ΄όνομα της λίμνης; Λίμνη τίς εστι η της Καστορίας εν η (αναφορ.) τράχηλος από της χέρσου εισέρχεται και περί το άκρον ευρύνεται εις πετρώδεις βούνους αποτελευτών. Περί δε το τράχηλον και πύργοι και μεσόπυργοι ωκοδόμηνται κάστρου δίκην, όπερ και Καστορία ονομάζεται. Alexias 6.1.1.12. Καταρχήν και η Άννα Κομνηνή αναφέρει ότι η λίμνη ονομάζεται Καστορίας, αλλά είναι συνεπαρμένη από το μεγαλοπρεπή όγκο των πύργων. Τας γουν ελεπόλεις* και τα πετροβόλα μηχανήματα έξωθεν καταστήσας δια πάσης νυκτός και ημέρας μαχόμενος και κατασείσας τον του τείχους περίβολον, επεί καρτερώτερον οι εντός ανθίστανται (ουκ ενεδίδουν ουδέ του τείχους καταρραγέντος). Άρα υπάρχει ομοφωνία ως προς την ονομασίαν της λίμνης Καστοριάς από την οποία ονομάστηκε και η πόλη κατά τους χρόνους της βασιλείας του Ιουστινιανού (527-565 μ.Χ.). Αρχικά η λίμνη πήρε το όνομά της από τους κάστορες που ενδημούσαν για αιώνες σ΄αυτήν και απ΄αυτούς παραδειγματίσθηκε ο άνθρωπος της νεολιθικής εποχής για να σχεδιάσει το δικό του πασσαλόπηκτο οικισμό.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...letron&f=false
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    As we see, Titus Livius mentions, first and only by the ancient historians, the city of Celetrum or Skeletron, which in greek means 'bone' as does 'kostur' in Macedonian and Bulgarian!

    Be real with me and tell me, how did your grandparents called your hometown town?

    Edessa or Voden/a
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A3...84%CE%BF%CF%82

    Στην ίδια περιοχή και, περίπου, στη θέση της σημερινής Καστοριάς, ο Τίτος Λίβιος μνημονεύει, πρώτος και μόνος από τους αρχαίους ιστορικούς, την πόλη Celetrum, «in paeninsula (χερσόνησο) situm» (31,40). Κέλετρον εκ του αρχαίου ρήματος Κηλέω-ώ που σημαίνει : Θέλγω, σαγηνεύω, ξελογιάζομαι. Πάντως ο Παπαπαναούμ στην αυτοβιογραφία του (1856 εν Λειψία) δεν έχει αμφιβολίες για την ταύτιση: «Εγεννήθην εν Καστορία πάλαι Κέλετρον καλουμένην». Στον ίδιο αυτό τόπο πρέπει ν΄αναζητήσουμε και την πόλη που έχτισε ο Διοκλητιανός τον 3ον αιώνα μ.Χ. και της έδωσε τ΄όνομά του. Τρεις αιώνες αργότερα ο Προκόπιος, ο πρώτος ιστορικός που παραδίνει τη λέξη Καστοριά, περιγράφει τη Διοκλητιανούπολη με ακρίβεια: «λίμνη δε τις αυτή εν γειτόνων τυγχάνει ούσα ή (η οποία) Καστορία ωνόμασται. Και νήσος κατά μέσον της λίμνης τοις ύδασιν περιβέβληται» (Περί κτισμάτων ΙV,3.273). Από τον ίδιο ιστορικό μαθαίνουμε ότι εδώ ακριβώς ήταν η θέση όπου ο αυτοκράτορας Ιουστινιανός «πόλιν εν τη νήσω οχυρωτάτην εδείματο (έκτισεν με τέτοιο τρόπο που προκαλούσε δέος στον εχθρό) και το όνομα, ως το εικός, αφήκε τη πόλει». Τίνος όνομα; Του δημιουργού αυτοκράτορα; Αλλά οι πηγές δεν ταυτίζουν την Καστοριά με καμιά Ιουστινιανούπολη, όπως νόμισαν μερικοί. Ή μήπως, πράγμα πιθανότερο, πρέπει να πιστέψουμε ότι ο Ιουστινιανός άφησε στην πόλη που έχτισε τ΄όνομα της λίμνης; Λίμνη τίς εστι η της Καστορίας εν η (αναφορ.) τράχηλος από της χέρσου εισέρχεται και περί το άκρον ευρύνεται εις πετρώδεις βούνους αποτελευτών. Περί δε το τράχηλον και πύργοι και μεσόπυργοι ωκοδόμηνται κάστρου δίκην, όπερ και Καστορία ονομάζεται. Alexias 6.1.1.12. Καταρχήν και η Άννα Κομνηνή αναφέρει ότι η λίμνη ονομάζεται Καστορίας, αλλά είναι συνεπαρμένη από το μεγαλοπρεπή όγκο των πύργων. Τας γουν ελεπόλεις* και τα πετροβόλα μηχανήματα έξωθεν καταστήσας δια πάσης νυκτός και ημέρας μαχόμενος και κατασείσας τον του τείχους περίβολον, επεί καρτερώτερον οι εντός ανθίστανται (ουκ ενεδίδουν ουδέ του τείχους καταρραγέντος). Άρα υπάρχει ομοφωνία ως προς την ονομασίαν της λίμνης Καστοριάς από την οποία ονομάστηκε και η πόλη κατά τους χρόνους της βασιλείας του Ιουστινιανού (527-565 μ.Χ.). Αρχικά η λίμνη πήρε το όνομά της από τους κάστορες που ενδημούσαν για αιώνες σ΄αυτήν και απ΄αυτούς παραδειγματίσθηκε ο άνθρωπος της νεολιθικής εποχής για να σχεδιάσει το δικό του πασσαλόπηκτο οικισμό.

    As we see, Titus Livius mentions, first and only by the ancient historians, the city of Celetrum or Skeletron, which in greek means 'bone' as does 'kostur' in Macedonian and Bulgarian!

    Be real with me and tell me, how dis your grandparents called these towns?

    Edessa or Voden/a
    The Greek name Ἔδεσσα (Édessa) means "tower in the water"[3] and is generally thought to be of Phrygian origin,[5][6] although a minority of scholars consider it to be Illyrian instead.[7] The Slavic name Vodĭnŭ (Водьнъ) was first attested in the 10th century,[citation needed] and became the common name until the 20th century.

    Vodená (Βοδενά) was the name used in Greek until 1923, when the ancient name was revived.[8][9] The Bulgarian and Macedonian name remains Voden (Cyrillic: Воден). In Turkish, the city is known as Vodina, and in Aromanian the city is known as either Edessa, Vudena or Vodina.

    Seleucus I Nicator named the city of Edessa in Mesopotamia (modern Şanlıurfa, Turkey) after the Macedonian Edessa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ΜΑΚΕΔΩΝ View Post
    The Greek name Ἔδεσσα (Édessa) means "tower in the water"[3] and is generally thought to be of Phrygian origin,[5][6] although a minority of scholars consider it to be Illyrian instead.[7] The Slavic name Vodĭnŭ (Водьнъ) was first attested in the 10th century,[citation needed] and became the common name until the 20th century.

    Vodená (Βοδενά) was the name used in Greek until 1923, when the ancient name was revived.[8][9] The Bulgarian and Macedonian name remains Voden (Cyrillic: Воден). In Turkish, the city is known as Vodina, and in Aromanian the city is known as either Edessa, Vudena or Vodina.

    Seleucus I Nicator named the city of Edessa in Mesopotamia (modern Şanlıurfa, Turkey) after the Macedonian Edessa.

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    In conclusion, Édessa it was the first name. we know that its Greek bishop, Isidoros, participated in the Ecumenical Council of 692.

    The city disappears from the sources thereafter, and re-emerges only in the 11th century, in the account of the Bulgarian wars of Emperor Basil II by the chronicler John Skylitzes, with the Slavic name Vodena (τὰ Βοδηνά in Greek),[14] commonly held to derive from the Slavic word for "water".[15] The Bulgarian historian Vasil Zlatarski hypothesized that it was Vodena, and not Vidin on the Danube, that was a base of the Cometopuli in their revolt against Byzantium.[14]

    After the liberation by the Hellenic Army the old name restored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ΜΑΚΕΔΩΝ View Post
    The Greek name Ἔδεσσα (Édessa) means "tower in the water"[3] and is generally thought to be of Phrygian origin,[5][6] although a minority of scholars consider it to be Illyrian instead.[7] The Slavic name Vodĭnŭ (Водьнъ) was first attested in the 10th century,[citation needed] and became the common name until the 20th century.

    Vodená (Βοδενά) was the name used in Greek until 1923, when the ancient name was revived.[8][9] The Bulgarian and Macedonian name remains Voden (Cyrillic: Воден). In Turkish, the city is known as Vodina, and in Aromanian the city is known as either Edessa, Vudena or Vodina.

    Seleucus I Nicator named the city of Edessa in Mesopotamia (modern Şanlıurfa, Turkey) after the Macedonian Edessa.

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    I've just shown you the origin of the name Kastoria and that the ancient name was 'Celetron' or 'Skeletron' which means 'bone' as 'Kostur' does which means that Kastoria comes from the word Kostur!

    But why are you showing me the origin of the name Edessa?

    That name was long forgotten when that dog Metaxas introduced it again.

    Why don't you answer to my question?

    Edessa or Vodena, how did your grandparents called it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    I've just shown you the origin of the name Kastoria and that the ancient name was 'Celetron' or 'Skeletron' which means 'bone' as 'Kostur' does which means that Kastoria comes from the word Kostur!

    But why are you showing me the origin of the name Edessa?

    That name was long forgotten when that dog Metaxas introduced it again.

    Why don't you answer to my question?

    Edessa or Vodena, how did your grandparents called it?
    Wrong the name of the city restored in 1923 long before the Hero
    Metaxas comes to power. As for my grandparents called Edessa(I rembered perfectly). As for Kastoria name I gave sources.

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    BTW Aspar why you call Metaxas a dog?

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