Origin of Mijaks

[Vojnik]

Vlatko is now going to claim Mijaks are Serbs.

[Mingle]

I was trying to suggest that this tribes might have came to southern Balkans as a part of a sclavinae consideration after their initial settlement in the northern Balkans.
Ofc, this is just a theory of mine.
And Wikipedia although can be a good source of information, by no means is the most reliable and trustworthy.
We have no written prove or anything else, that the Baiounitai have spoken Slavic.

Which tribes? The Boii, Scordisci, and other Celtic tribes? They became extinct at least 500 years before Slavs started migrating to the Balkans. The Slavs didn't interact with the Celts in the Balkans so they couldn't have been part of their confederation.

[Aspar]

Which tribes? The Boii, Scordisci, and other Celtic tribes? They became extinct at least 500 years before Slavs started migrating to the Balkans. The Slavs didn't interact with the Celts in the Balkans so they couldn't have been part of their confederation.

How do you know that??
Were you there, witnessed their extinction??
All I am saying is that they might survived somewhere in the northern Bakans, having been Latinized and later on as a part of a sclavinae confederation moved to the South.
Do you have any proof for what are you saying?
Neither and I, it's just a theory of mine!

[Mingle]

How do you know that??
Were you there, witnessed their extinction??

Strabo said that the Taurisci and Boii became extinct in the first century. The Scordisci became extinct even earlier. After a certain period, the records of these tribes completely disappears and different people (Slavs, Latins) are mentioned in their place instead.

All I am saying is that they might survived somewhere in the northern Bakans, having been Latinized and later on as a part of a sclavinae confederation moved to the South.

When I say that they became extinct, I don't mean they all got slaughtered. I meant that their language/culture/identity disappeared, which likely happened as a combination of killing and assimilation.

My thoughts were that the name Galichnik could have been Gal (from the Celts) and then the -ichnik suffix could have come when Slavs migrated. But that seems unlikely. The name should either be fully Slavic or fully Celtic. Its most likely full Slavic. I think I found the etymology. I'll post it in a separate reply.

[Mingle]

Makedonija (Makedonia - rich country)
Evropa (Eurωpe, EuruV – wide, spacious and ωps, ωpos – face, reverse)
Pelagonia (Pelagonia, Pel - plain and gone – birth)
Aegae (Aegean part) (Aigaion, aix, aigos, aiga – goat, white)
Pirenea (Purinos – ardent)
Korešta (Orestis – the region of Kostur)
Peonia (Paionia - after the king Paiωn or after the religious hymn in honour
of god Apollo, and goddess Artemis)
Skopje (lat. Skupi, hill, mound, tower, fortress, observation post
Štip (capital)
Strumica (from the hydronym – current, flow)
Vargala (near Štip – abundance of milk)
Heraklea (glory of Hera)
Kičevo (merge, place where four confluents of the river Treska join and flow
together)
Keramia (near Prilep: making cooking pots and pans of copper)
Kolobaisa (near Prilep: sheepskin fur coat)
Brianion (near river Crna: very frightful, painful)
Gjavato (crossing, passable, accessible)
Pehčevo (to stand firmly)
Stracin (military camp, army, strategic
Udovo (doorstep)
Galičnik – (ermine, cat and white, bright, swan)
Kačanik (kill, execute, eliminate)
Kalište (to be the most beautiful)
Opejnica (a hole in the ground, cave)
Asamati (sad)
Capari (thorny plant)
Cepigovo (flower garden, vegetable garden)
Lažani (to reach, to take hold of)
Teovo (near Bogomila: god, deity)
Desovi (near Bogomila: remote)
Samokov (near Poreče: high mountain – 2062m)
Matejče (sinful)
Korab (ship)
Pelisiter (stone and firm, strong)
Selečka Planina (mountain) (bright, brightness)
Drim (furious, raging, severe)
Struma (current, flow)
Semnica – river (worthy)
Treska (to drill, to bore)
Lepenec (made of stone, rocky, uncovered rock)
Butel (beef and marsh, meadow)

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http://www.pollitecon.com/html/ebook...ient-Times.pdf

[Pribislav]

According to Serbian geogrhapher and ethnologist Jovan Cvijić Mijaks are miks of Slavs and Aromanians, and Brsjaks are Slavs.

On "Serbian DNA project" people which are tested and have Brsjak origin carry R1a, I2-PH908 and I2-CTS10228.

There is indication that pre-Slavic branch of R1a exist among Mijaks, it's branchs R1a>M198>YP1051.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mijaks...s-18th_century

Lifestyle, costumes and some customs of Mijaks were similar as Vlach/Aromanian.
Mijak houses were similar as Aromanian one.

[Novi Pazar]

Mijaks, yes, they were pushed eastward into Macedonia, due to Albanian pressure. If they were Albanian, then why would they be forced out? The reason is Mijaks are not Albanian and two, Mijaks resisted Albanianisation. A good case study is the partly Albanianised Serb-Goranci of Southwestern Kosovo and Central East Albania.

The Mijaks wear the same tradition Caps as other Western Serbs (Montenegrins, Krajisniks and Herzcegovinians), they also celebrate Slava and their folklore centers on Serbian legends. The capital city of Mijaks is Lazaropole/Lazarpolje after Knez Lazar.

[Mingle]

Mijaks, yes, they were pushed eastward into Macedonia, due to Albanian pressure. If they were Albanian, then why would they be forced out? The reason is Mijaks are not Albanian and two, Mijaks resisted Albanianisation. A good case study is the partly Albanianised Serb-Goranci of Southwestern Kosovo and Central East Albania.

The Mijaks wear the same tradition Caps as other Western Serbs (Montenegrins, Krajisniks and Herzcegovinians), they also celebrate Slava and their folklore centers on Serbian legends. The capital city of Mijaks is Lazaropole/Lazarpolje after Knez Lazar.

Interesting, another Serb user also said something similar here. I just didn't find any info on it online. According to Pribislav, Serb ethnologists see them as having a Slavo-Aromanian origin without any reference to Serbs.

Which region are Krajisnik Serbs from? I never heard of them.

[Kelmendasi]

According to Serbian geogrhapher and ethnologist Jovan Cvijić Mijaks are miks of Slavs and Aromanians, and Brsjaks are Slavs.

On "Serbian DNA project" people which are tested and have Brsjak origin carry R1a, I2-PH908 and I2-CTS10228.

There is indication that pre-Slavic branch of R1a exist among Mijaks, it's branchs R1a>M198>YP1051.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mijaks...s-18th_century

Lifestyle, costumes and some customs of Mijaks were similar as Vlach/Aromanian.
Mijak houses were similar as Aromanian one.

We still have yet to see actual Mijak results though iirc. I saw one result from the Reka region though I am unsure if they were Mijak, they had a Slavic surname but were R-BY611, a common line for Albanians. Mijaks clearly have Albanian influence when it comes to traditional things like music, dances and to a certain degree clothing. The trousers are very similar to the Albanian tirq trouser and their music is closer to certain styles of Albanian music than it is to Serbian afaik. Though perhaps these similarities could be from Albanian influence.

[Kelmendasi]

Mijaks, yes, they were pushed eastward into Macedonia, due to Albanian pressure. If they were Albanian, then why would they be forced out? The reason is Mijaks are not Albanian and two, Mijaks resisted Albanianisation. A good case study is the partly Albanianised Serb-Goranci of Southwestern Kosovo and Central East Albania.

The Mijaks wear the same tradition Caps as other Western Serbs (Montenegrins, Krajisniks and Herzcegovinians), they also celebrate Slava and their folklore centers on Serbian legends. The capital city of Mijaks is Lazaropole/Lazarpolje after Knez Lazar.

Can you post sources that suggest that Albanians pushed them eastwards? Mijaks have clear Albanian influence, their music is far closer to Albanian music than it is to any Serbian music that I have heard.