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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    3/4 of Croatians speak originally same language as Serbs, 1/4 of Croatians speak originally different languages from Serbs.
    According to Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus various serbian tribes settled the area south of the Cetina river. The thing is that significant part of the territory south of Cetina (especially islands and big part of Pelješac peninsula) belonged to chakavian dialect. Do you think that Serbs once spoke chakavian and lost it somewhere in the later Medieval or the Emperor was wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalmatinac View Post
    According to Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus various serbian tribes settled the area south of the Cetina river. The thing is that significant part of the territory south of Cetina (especially islands and big part of Pelješac peninsula) belonged to chakavian dialect. Do you think that Serbs once spoke chakavian and lost it somewhere in the later Medieval or the Emperor was wrong?
    Serbs never spoke chakavian.
    Present day ckakavians on the island southeastern of Cetina river arrived from northern Dalmatia (hintherland) in late 15th and first half of 16th century.
    In years 1485 when Ottomans attacked northern Dalmatia a lot of peoploe escaped on Hvar and Brač. There was few big Ottomam attacks on northern Dalmatian in late 15th and early 16th century, and population always migrated to the islands.
    In 1522 when Ottomans took Knin and Dalmatian hintherland also a lot of people migrated to the islans.
    Before Ottomans Dalmatian island were almost empty. Today when exist tourims life on island is good, but 60 years ago people on island were poor. Many Dalmatian islanders migrated to USA, Argentina, Australia... in 19th and first half of 20th century because life was hard on islands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Serbs never spoke chakavian.
    Present day ckakavians on the island southeastern of Cetina river arrived from northern Dalmatia (hintherland) in late 15th and first half of 16th century.
    In years 1485 when Ottomans attacked northern Dalmatia a lot of peoploe escaped on Hvar and Brač. There was few big Ottomam attacks on northern Dalmatian in late 15th and early 16th century, and population always migrated to the islands.
    In 1522 when Ottomans took Knin and Dalmatian hintherland also a lot of people migrated to the islans.
    Before Ottomans Dalmatian island were almost empty. Today when exist tourims life on island is good, but 60 years ago people on island were poor. Many Dalmatian islanders migrated to USA, Argentina, Australia... in 19th and first half of 20th century because life was hard on islands.
    That's not true. I've read many books on that matter. Also, I've read Povaljska listina which is an old document found in Povlja, Island of Brač which dates back to 1250 and guess what - it's written in chakavian dialect using bosnian cyrillic. In fact, there has never been found any old document on the islands which would show that štokavian was once spoken, so I highly doubt that migration of chakavian populations ever took place (except possibly those in 7th century of course) to southern Dalmatian islands. The only migrations which happened on the islands of Brač and Hvar were the migrations of štokavian populations in 15th and 16th centuries mainly from Makarsko primorje and Herzegovina. I've seen few sources and there is stated many times that domestic chakavian populations never liked štokavian settlers much precisely due to a different dialect which they considered as inferior. It took decades to calm the things!

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    God bless the Croatian people, and I wish them success in the preservation of their language and culture

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    The Croatian language was first mentioned in 1275 in the document “Istarski razvod”.
    The writing where Croatia and the adjective Croatian were first mentioned was in the Bashka tablet dating to the early 1100's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%C5%A1ka_tablet

    The oldest documents written in the Croatian language are the Plomin tablet and the Valun tablet.

    These are all written in Chakavian if I'm not mistaken.

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